Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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corwin

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Spidey, the father said he had been suspended for tardiness. From the Krop Senior High School handbook.

http://74.53.27.98/~mkhscom/Information Files/Student and Parent Handbook 11-12.pdf
Good find...why wouldn't the parents just say that though? For something so trivial it should have been a simple thing of "he'd been tardy to school"...so that must be why he was there to "disconnect and get his priorities straight"...well, I guess we would need to know what he was "disconnecting" from and what his "priorities" were before going there...
 

blankslate

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you already said Z's arrest for assulting a cop isn't relevant. Why is T's suspension relevant

A fair point. If someone is going to say that Mr. Zimmerman's arrest is irrelevant then that someone is skirting around hypocrite territory if they're bringing up the reasons for Trayvon Martin's suspension.

Personally I'd like to know more details about both.
 

ch33zw1z

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Good find...why wouldn't the parents just say that though? For something so trivial it should have been a simple thing of "he'd been tardy to school"...so that must be why he was there to "disconnect and get his priorities straight"...well, I guess we would need to know what he was "disconnecting" from and what his "priorities" were before going there...

I believe this was posted ~10 pages back...when I was still "keeping up"

About the other post, I was wondering is alky was disagreeing!
 

corwin

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It's an older article but the details about Crump's decision to sue for release of the tapes was what was under discussion given the quote about "they always get away"
but yeah since the release of the pictures people should correct such details with a correction at the bottom of the older articles.
the pictures of Z were out from the start, but a white shooter got more attention...I'd still like to know if he actually did know his race first though
Sadly that may be the case. Let neighborhood watch people ask or have someone who isn't armed ask them the question while you hang far enough back so that you aren't provocative factor.
So this new law would only apply in a persons own community, basically when their closest to their home, but not away from it? There's no way this wouldn't (and it probably will) be used to try to reverse CC completely, over one incident, a tragic incident but still isolated.
 

HomerJS

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A fair point. If someone is going to say that Mr. Zimmerman's arrest is irrelevant then that someone is skirting around hypocrite territory if they're bringing up the reasons for Trayvon Martin's suspension.

Personally I'd like to know more details about both.

I already know the answer but left it out. The Z apologists want to hold onto anything that will confirm their preconceived notion that T is a thug/criminal rather then analyze the facts that are known.
 

corwin

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A fair point. If someone is going to say that Mr. Zimmerman's arrest is irrelevant then that someone is skirting around hypocrite territory if they're bringing up the reasons for Trayvon Martin's suspension.

Personally I'd like to know more details about both
7 years ago is less relevant than last week IMHO...and there's quite a few details of the arrest
 
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blankslate

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10 years ago is less relevant than last week IMHO...and there's quite a few details of the arrest

It was 7 years ago. also during the same time frame Mr. Zimmerman was assaulted and got his jaw broken... later someone robbed him at gunpoint... might be the reason he wanted a C&C permit.

Quite frankly I disagree with you about it being less relevant than Trayvon Martin's suspension
 
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blankslate

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My bad...corrected...still stands that 7years ago is less relevant than last week

We just disagree. Unless Trayvon Martin's suspension turns out to be because he started a fight with someone else instead of general tardiness.
 

NeoV

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bottom line is - couldn't a lot of this go away if they would just release the 911 call?

I find it amazing how some of you are defending the shooter in this case simply because you are either racist or a gun zealot.

Anyone looking at this objectively thinks there are serious questions and that it looks very bad for the shooter - doesn't mean it's impossible for him to have been justified, but it certainly raises a lot more questions on his actions than it does the boy who was just walking to a house he had every right to be walking to.
 

skyking

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Still trying too hard. The kid did nothing else but look suspicious to start all this out. Quit trying to assassinate his character.
 

spidey07

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I already know the answer but left it out. The Z apologists want to hold onto anything that will confirm their preconceived notion that T is a thug/criminal rather then analyze the facts that are known.

He became a criminal when he viciously attacked zimmerman. The facts and evidence shows he attacked zimmerman. The evidence says no crime was committed.

But you will refuse to let that get in the way of your preconceived notion that you've made up in your head, despite the evidence, of what happened
 

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7 years ago is less relevant than last week IMHO...and there's quite a few details of the arrest

Yeah,

7 years ago the kid was probably playing on a playground somewhere while this douchbag was assaulting police officers and getting his ass knocked out while trying to be a bouncer.

Sounds like he is just a loser which is why I keep referring to him pretending to be the police. There's alot of people like this out there who just can't make it... but they can buy a gun, and get $10 an hour security details at the local supermarket.
 

Pens1566

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Exactly: race, height/weight/hair color/length and age.

Then any interesting marks/tattoos?

Funny how the news has people thinking race being mentioned = racist.

The bit about the 911 call and race being mentioned was specifically that Zimmerman brought up the race of the "suspicious person". Not as part of any checklist. Any way, it goes against the whole notion that he couldn't possibly have seen/identified Martin's race.
 

HomerJS

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He became a criminal when he viciously attacked zimmerman. The facts and evidence shows he attacked zimmerman. The evidence says no crime was committed.

But you will refuse to let that get in the way of your preconceived notion that you've made up in your head, despite the evidence, of what happened

attacked means T was aggresor and there is no evidence of that. I'd rather go by things we know not things you make up.
 

skyking

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you just don't get it. when I was 17, if some random guy followed me in his car, then pursued me on foot, it would have been on. Either run like hell or get into it because that is what keeps you alive. MR. Z had no uniform or authority. No reason to expect anything but an ass-whooping by some strange older dude, for no reason. Not standing there for that.
 

corwin

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We just disagree. Unless Trayvon Martin's suspension turns out to be because he started a fight with someone else instead of general tardiness.
We do disagree and that's fine...people can do it civily sometimes;) There's other possibilities of why his parents didn't want to say but no point in going further down the guessing road than I already have
Still trying too hard. The kid did nothing else but look suspicious to start all this out. Quit trying to assassinate his character.
I'm just guessing like everyone else, you might not like my guess but it's still possible, hopefully we'll get more details soon but I'm guessing it will be weeks at least before anything solid comes out
7 years ago the kid was probably playing on a playground somewhere while this douchbag was assaulting police officers and getting his ass knocked out while trying to be a bouncer.
Not exactly what happened but I'm sure you're right about the kid...
 

alkemyst

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bottom line is - couldn't a lot of this go away if they would just release the 911 call?

I find it amazing how some of you are defending the shooter in this case simply because you are either racist or a gun zealot.

Anyone looking at this objectively thinks there are serious questions and that it looks very bad for the shooter - doesn't mean it's impossible for him to have been justified, but it certainly raises a lot more questions on his actions than it does the boy who was just walking to a house he had every right to be walking to.

They don't have to prove anything to the public.

Being the dead person is a minor also creates different levels of privacy.

The fact is there is an investigation and lawsuit and they are handleing it internally.

By your own counter-argument you must be a racist too and anti-gun zealot.

The police have gone on record that they trust this was a self-defense shooting and not a hate-crime.
 

blankslate

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He became a criminal when he viciously attacked zimmerman. The facts and evidence shows he attacked zimmerman. The evidence says no crime was committed.

But you will refuse to let that get in the way of your preconceived notion that you've made up in your head, despite the evidence, of what happened

We know that he hit Mr. Zimmerman but who tried to touch who first?

Did Mr. Zimmerman fall and hit his head after the first or second punch by Trayvon Martin or did he fall and have then have his head smacked on the ground by the shooting victim.

There're also concerns that the actual shooting didn't take place at the place of the initial fight. Which means that Trayvon Martin could possibly have been retreating (maybe backing away and whining "please don't shoot"?)

Given that there are no real eye-witnesses either situation is as possible as the other.

If Trayvon Martin threw a couple of punches because he was grabbed and Mr. Zimmerman fell and hit his head it's much less a "vicious attack" than if Trayvon Martin knocked him down and then slammed his head.

We need more evidence and more follow ups with the witnesses.

Spidey, do not for a second try to convince anyone that you didn't read that name and assume this irresponsible loser was white. Call him hispanic if you want, if that's how he defines himself--fine. But he is very likely of mixed origin, so why then define him as any particular race? Is Obama no more black than he is white?

How about we jsut refer to him as what he is: a parnoid and irresponsible loser that will soon become the poster child for more rabid anti-gun laws.

And I know this is what you truly fear, and this is why you are so passionate about this story. You and I both see what this means, and it scares you shitless.

I think he's right about your real concern over this incident quite frankly...
 

skyking

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I'm just guessing like everyone else, you might not like my guess but it's still possible, hopefully we'll get more details soon but I'm guessing it will be weeks at least before anything solid comes out
No guessing here. Guy is packing, confronts non-criminal, shit goes sour and he ends up shooting the guy. These are not guesses.
No claim that T committed a crime at the time by anybody prior to the end encounter. None by anybody.
 

Pens1566

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He became a criminal when he viciously attacked zimmerman. The facts and evidence shows he attacked zimmerman. The evidence says no crime was committed.

But you will refuse to let that get in the way of your preconceived notion that you've made up in your head, despite the evidence, of what happened

Link??? And no, the urban dictionary definition of "ghetto stomp" won't do.