Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

Discussion in 'Politics and News' started by blankslate, Mar 9, 2012.

  1. CitizenKain

    CitizenKain Diamond Member

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    I wasn't aware I needed to keep up a certain number of posts in a thread to appease people like yourself.

    So Travyon pretending to be a gang banger online is evidence of him being aggressive, while Zimmerman's history of actually assaulting someone isn't. That is so precious. Are you going to next say that Martin having tattoos is sufficient to him being worthy of being killed? One of them was his Mom's name too. That's pretty hardcore. He also got his picture taken on a horse.

    I'm sure he had wounds, you don't attack someone walk away without them. But wounds that are sufficient to stand up to life threatening? If you get hit on the head a lot, like Zimmerman claims, you go to the hospital right away. Not the next day. But, if you don't have those wounds, then you go whenever.

    Oh, he sat at the police station for hours after shooting someone? That poor baby.
     
  2. OCNewbie

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    The ballistic evidence that I'm gonna assume they did will probably shed light on which one it was. When they say "very close", instead of just "close range", I take that as pretty much point-blank.
     
  3. soundforbjt

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    From a guy who is making him out to be on drugs, casing houses, etc. Z made him sound as bad as he could, he was "profiling him" in that respect.
    If he said I see a kid that I don't know walking on the sidewalk, the dispatcher would have blew him off.
     
  4. OCNewbie

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    It's peculiar to me how EVERY Zimmerman hater (for lack of a better term) on here is so extremely cynical with their arguments. Not a rational one in the bunch that I've seen.
     
  5. Geosurface

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    I hear ya.

    Keep in mind though, just because a black person dying and getting national attention inevitably brings the scummy racists out of the woodwork to cause trouble, doesn't mean all of us who think Z was in the right here are racists too, even a little bit. Also doesn't mean Z himself is.
     
  6. Geosurface

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    Yea I hate to paint with a broad brush but I've noticed that there is a very high emotion tone to a lot of their posts. They seem like good people, who I am sure I would agree with on just about any other topic... but the posts are just soooo volatile, and they will call someone a racist at the SLIGHTEST opportunity.

    They also seem to just have this sort of vague sense that Zimmerman must've been a malicious, murderous racist out for blood. Nothing that comes forward can get them to ease up their view of him and his actions at all.

    I mean, on the other hand... a lot of us defending Z acknowledge it's a tragedy, and that Martin was a good kid in many respects. Sure, we point out the thuggery as evidence that viewing him as suspicious isn't totally unreasonable, and that it is at least somewhat believable that he may have indeed attacked Z first.

    I'll say it again, I think Martin, although yes he had embraced some thug culture, and thug behavior... and was on a path of delinquency, had a lot of good things about him too. I think he had the capacity to be a very sweet, smart kid. I think he was a bit wayward the last couple of years, but I'd like to think he was going to straighten back out as his mother hoped. He certainly didn't deserve to die, and I wish the gun hadn't been there. I wish it hadn't gone like this.

    But when you let your temper explode, and you attack someone... and then you can't even control yourself enough to leave it at a punch, and insist on straddling them and slamming their head on the ground... at that point, I think it's reasonable for your victim to fear for his life and act accordingly. No question about it if you grab at his gun.
     
  7. soundforbjt

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    I don't hate Zimmerman, I think he showed very bad judgement and made very stupid decisions which caused the death of an innocent (whether you think he was a thug or not) teenager who was not in the act of commiting any crime. He may not get charged with a crime, but I doubt his dreams of becoming part of law enforcement will ever come true. And he'll be living in constant fear of his identity being discovered.
     
  8. soundforbjt

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    Lots of fantasy & emotion in this part. Not being very objective at all, like you "claim" you are.
     
  9. Geosurface

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    Well that's not fantasy that's Zimmerman's account, such as we have it currently. You may not want to admit it, but Z's account is in fact evidence. He's the best witness we'll ever have to this.
     
  10. soundforbjt

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    Not necessarily, we don't know all the evidence yet. He may still be charged and face a trial or he may not. But he'll constantly be looking over his shoulder wondering if he's recognized by someone, he'll be doubly scared of any black people he sees, if he's not charged. I'd be almost willing to bet he'll be divorced by his wife in under a year. I would not want to be Zimmerman under either circumstance.
     
  11. OCNewbie

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    How do you reply to this:

    With this:

    ?

    That's what I was talking about in my other post about being rational, etc. (even though, in my opinion, you're one of the "TM guys" that isn't 100% rhetoric). I don't see how what you're saying has anything to do with what Geo said. Is the above your desired future for GZ? What does he divorcing his wife have to do with what Geo said? /boggled...
     
  12. Geosurface

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    Yea I was a little puzzled by that reply too but I just sort of shook my head and decided not to analyze it haha.
     
  13. soundforbjt

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    Thanks for your selective editing, do you work for Fox News? I notice you leave out where I first replied directly to his post with this:
    What possible reason would Z have to lie in his testimony? Oh yeah, he could be charged and go to jail. I just did what you guys do, make a rational statement followed by my own specualtion. Now you know how I feel when I read one of your Z supporter posts. :biggrin: And I said she'll probably divorce him, not the other way round.
     
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  14. soundforbjt

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    It should've been obvious to you, you've done it in lots of your posts. :sneaky:
     
  15. Pens1566

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    Everytime that reference comes up, someone needs reminded that is was Bush admin. DOJ officials that recommended it not be sent to trial. Holder not found.
     
  16. monovillage

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    from the opinion article in the Wall Street Journal that I linked.
    How many links do you want that show it was up to Attorney General Holder to prosecute or not?
     
  17. umbrella39

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    His truck was parked next to the mailboxes on Twin Trees right next to the pool/club house some 220 feet to the west and slightly north of where you have it marked.
     
  18. soundforbjt

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    You mean this Bartle Bull:

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007080022

    Even wikipedia makes no mention of him being a civil rights attorney.

     
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  19. RampantAndroid

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    Look it up - charges were dropped.

    You ignored the point of my post - you're either ignorant of the facts, or outright pretending they don't exist.
     
  20. monovillage

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    You got mediamatters a bought and paid for media outlet for left-wing views.

    http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-no...ack-panthers-free-to-return-to-polls-november
    with a few pics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20010581-504564.html

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshg...ack_Panther_case_focus_demeans_my_people.html
     
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  21. Londo_Jowo

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    I'm obeying the terms of my employment, big difference.
     
  22. SpatiallyAware

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    Edit: tapatalk pocket post
     
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  23. Geosurface

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    I've been trying hard to get a video of the Zimmerman defense team's interview on NBC's Today Show from Saturday with Lester Holt interviewing. It looks as though they appeared again yesterday with David Gregory, found a clip of part of that... but I really want to see the Saturday edition because it's clear there were some good quotes. I saw a little cilp in another vid of it. If anyone finds it, let me know?
     
  24. Pens1566

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    Uh, that doesn't prove anything you've stated. Dig a little deeper. Find out for yourself who recommended the decision, when it was recommended, and get back to us. It's been debated countless times in this forum already, always with the same result. Yet every so often it pops back up like herpes.
     
  25. corwin

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    Actually your wrong...well if you're referring to Texas at least we did pass the law that you can keep your weapon in your vehicle at work regardless of company policies