Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[a777pilot]

Sorry, I don't buy this. For one, I've seen the map, it's a tiny neighborhood with a simple street layout. Disoriented from the pursuit? You go towards your house and keep going... if he had done that no way Z catches up with him.

I'm also not convinced that Zimmerman was looking for a street name... are you saying this based on the 911 call or what?

Nobody knows anything. We are all just making guesses.

 

[M0RPH]

Map with locations marked:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...d=203577346167583507267.0004bbdcc7c71244ae865

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I don't have a problem with what Toure said considering Z's lawyer said there has been no contact with brother since shooting. A complete contradiction. Morgan deserved criticism.

Morgan did nothing wrong by not rushing to judgement when he admits (and subsequently gets Toure to admit) that all the facts have not been laid out to be able to form a judgement. In fact Morgan just exposed Toure as a biased individual rushing to judgement based on his "feelings" and personal take on the overall case. Morgan choose the high road of logical and reasonable argument and understanding while Toure choose the low road of rhetoric, rushing to judgement and criticism while forming a bias opinion based on his own predetermined view of the case without a full investigation being concluded.

One of the them is clearly a journalist but it sure ain't Toure.

 

[micrometers]

I'm on Toure's side.

Toure's complaint is that Zimmerman's brother is spreading disinformation.

He is right. Zimmerman's brother wasn't there either. Heck, it's unknown if he has even talked to George, since apparently they were estranged or something like that and hadn't talked in years.

Now, you can say that it's just Piers Morgan putting it out there, but the way that public opinion works is that people go by impressions, and Zimmerman's brother was spreading inaccurate information.

Piers Morgan, btw, plays the part of the authoritative Brit, but he's of the same ilk as Rebecca Brooks who was just arrested recently due to her role in hacking a dead girl's cell phone mailbox.

 

[blankslate]

The Stand Your Ground law needs to be revisited and repealed or changed.

 

[M0RPH]

Morgan did nothing wrong by not rushing to judgement when he admits (and subsequently gets Toure to admit) that all the facts have not been laid out to be able to form a judgement. In fact Morgan just exposed Toure as a biased individual rushing to judgement based on his "feelings" and personal take on the overall case. Morgan choose the high road of logical and reasonable argument and understanding while Toure choose the low road of rhetoric, rushing to judgement and criticism while forming a bias opinion based on his own predetermined view of the case without a full investigation being concluded.

One of the them is clearly a journalist but it sure ain't Toure.

+1

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I'm on Toure's side.

Toure's complaint is that Zimmerman's brother is spreading disinformation.

He is right. Zimmerman's brother wasn't there either. Heck, it's unknown if he has even talked to George, since apparently they were estranged or something like that and hadn't talked in years.

Now, you can say that it's just Piers Morgan putting it out there, but the way that public opinion works is that people go by impressions, and Zimmerman's brother was spreading inaccurate information.

This is completely Toure's opinion and nothing else. According to Toure any information being put out in the defense of Zimmerman is already considered to be "misinformation" to him because he has already formed an opinion. Meanwhile he willing admits to he himself does not have all of the facts either. Thus it is Morgan's point that he did indeed challenge the brother based on known information and Morgan also got him to go on the public record with statements about issues that are under investigation. Toure apparently isn't satisfied with this and wants to be judge, jury and executioner.

Piers Morgan, btw, plays the part of the authoritative Brit, but he's of the same ilk as Rebecca Brooks who was just arrested recently due to her role in hacking a dead girl's cell phone mailbox.

LOL Nice ad hom against Morgan. Clearly we can't trust his view because according to you he is out hacking cell phones like Rebecca Brooks.

 

[Infohawk]

Toure's complaint is that Zimmerman's brother is spreading disinformation.

He is right. Zimmerman's brother wasn't there either.

Do you think Martin's parents are spreading disinformation since they weren't there either?

The entire country has rushed to judgment against Zimmerman. Why shouldn't the Zimmerman family be able to try to give their side of the story?

 

[micrometers]

But Toure isn't going out spreading disinformation like Mr. Zimmerman. He is simply objecting to the interview, which he views as dishonest and poorly sourced.

I'm pointing out that most people seem quick to place authority in british accented commentators.

Also, British journalistic standards are much much lower than US journalistic standards.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The Stand Your Ground law needs to be revisited and repealed or changed.

No it does not. The stand your ground law had no role in this shooting other then being a target for knee-jerk opportunists to revoke the rights of individuals to defend themselves regardless who was or is not at fault.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

But Toure isn't going out spreading disinformation like Mr. Zimmerman. He is simply objecting to the interview, which he views as dishonest and poorly sourced.

Mis-information? So its okay that T.Martin's parents to go out on their speaking tours but not Zimmerman's family? Clearly you've already formed your own bias opinion.

I'm pointing out that most people seem quick to place authority in british accented commentators.

Nice astute observation.

So you believe that those of use that sided with Morgan in this interview were not listening to Toure's statements or that we just gave Morgan's views more credibility based on his British accent? Could you be any more presumptuous.

Also, British journalistic standards are much much lower than US journalistic standards.

Never mind that Morgan works for CNN or that he is holding back on actually forming an opinion and being neutral in the case, according to you Morgan being British automatically puts everything he says in doubt. Again great observations and conclusions you have here.

 

[Mxster]

Nobody knows anything. We are all just making guesses.

False. There are no eyewitnesses to the events prior to the murder, but police surveillance videos show Zimmerman walking around with no visible signs of injury. And imo, not even looking that distraught.

Bastard straight murdered him.

 

[cybrsage]

No visible injuries except for visible the head injuries shown in the video of him at the police station...

 

[OCNewbie]

False. There are no eyewitnesses to the events prior to the murder, but police surveillance videos show Zimmerman walking around with no visible signs of injury. And imo, not even looking that distraught.

Bastard straight murdered him.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqKSMMEYHxA

To CLEARLY see TWO marks on the back of his head: Let the entire video load. Go into full-screen mode. Hit the left arrow key a couple times to make sure you're at 0:00 of the video. Now hit the right arrow key about FIVE times, until you get to approx 0:21. Hit the space bar to unpause the video, and look at the back of GZ's head when he nods forward. You can clearly see TWO wounds: one near the top center of his head, and one below and to the right of that one.

Do what I've quoted and you will see the below

Besides, this is footage from surveillance cameras that are probably running 24/7/365, so that would take up a crapload of space if this were uncompressed, or otherwise higher quality footage. This is no doubt compressed and lossy, and therefore the images aren't going to be sharp enough to make any reasonable judgements about the presence, or lack of, injuries.

 

[Mxster]

No visible injuries except for visible the head injuries shown in the video of him at the police station...

Is that right? What's your source on that, big man?

This is from the Washington Post:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...4/01/gIQAx3QTpS_blog.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop

Do I need to copy and paste the quotes too, or will you concede your misunderstanding here?

 

[micrometers]

Okay. Zimmerman probably does have a few scrapes which aren't visible. It is possible that they managed to clean him up and that the scrapes aren't really that serious to begin with.

Which is kind of the point. I don't see any evidence of the "one more blow and he's a vegetable" argument forwarded by his brother. In fact, he seems to be fairly agile and he can move well. He appears unharmed, basically. So I don't buy the "one more blow and he's gonna die". I don't really see any serious damage on him. There is likely some minor damage, but I had expected significantly more damage coming from the guy.

 

[Infohawk]

Is that right? What's your source on that, big man?

LOL. Chill out. People have been discussing this for days. Why don't you look at the post above yours and describe what you see in the picture.

 

[OCNewbie]

Why don't you look at the post above yours and describe what you see in the picture.

I see a murdering racist that is being congratulated by his conspiring racist cop friends!

Oops... forgot what side I was on there for a moment.

 

[Mxster]

LOL. Chill out. People have been discussing this for days. Why don't you look at the post above yours and describe what you see in the picture.

I see a man on AnandTech wearing a tinfoil hat and trying desperately yo convince me that two dark spots are wounds. That's what I see.

In the meantime, how about you Google "Zimmerman video" mkay. Have fun with that.

 

[Infohawk]

I see a man on AnandTech wearing a tinfoil hat and trying desperately yo convince me that two dark spots are wounds. That's what I see.

In the meantime, how about you Google "Zimmerman video" mkay. Have fun with that.

Isn't the screencap taken from the video you're talking about?

 

[Mxster]

Oh, and btw? If the two "wounds" you mention are on the crown of the head, and not the back, that's just ANOTHER inconsistency in this worthless turd's story. I guess he didn't just slam his head on the pavement, he picked him up and piledrived him too.

 

[OCNewbie]

I see a man on AnandTech wearing a tinfoil hat and trying desperately yo convince me that two dark spots are wounds. That's what I see.

In the meantime, how about you Google "Zimmerman video" mkay. Have fun with that.

You come across as angry and emotional and that's getting in the way of you viewing things, such as this video, with a mindset capable of seeing things that you might not want to see.

Did you view the video and do what I quoted? Run the video in full screen, in 480p, and not on your cell phone (in case that's what you're doing), and do what the quoted text says. Play it a few times from 21 seconds to 24 seconds or so. Use the left arrow key to quickly backtrack to the ~21 second mark to repeat it. Once you see where the wounds are, you can see them appear throughout the video.

The problem is this is compressed video, so things will get smoothed out, and will appear missing because that's the nature of the compression algorithm that those cameras likely use. (I'm partially talking out of my ass on that, but from my reasonable knowledge of computers and digital imaging I believe that to be true).

 

[Mxster]

You come across as angry and emotional and that's getting in the way of you viewing things, such as this video, with a mindset capable of seeing things that you might not want to see.

Did you view the video and do what I quoted? Run the video in full screen, in 480p, and not on your cell phone (in case that's what you're doing), and do what the quoted text says. Play it a few times from 21 seconds to 24 seconds or so. Use the left arrow key to quickly backtrack to the ~21 second mark to repeat it. Once you see where the wounds are, you can see them appear throughout the video.

The problem is this is compressed video, so things will get smoothed out, and will appear missing because that's the nature of the compression algorithm that those cameras likely use. (I'm partially talking out of my ass on that, but from my reasonable knowledge of computers and digital imaging I believe that to be true).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...g_piledriver.jpg/220px-Jumping_piledriver.jpg

 

[Infohawk]

So much for all the new accounts being pro-Zimmerman...

 

[OCNewbie]

Oh, and btw? If the two "wounds" you mention are on the crown of the head, and not the back, that's just ANOTHER inconsistency in this worthless turd's story. I guess he didn't just slam his head on the pavement, he picked him up and piledrived him too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...g_piledriver.jpg/220px-Jumping_piledriver.jpg

I am just going to have to disagree. They appear to be on the back of his head to me.

Here's another shot I captured at another point in the video.