Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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gingermeggs

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Define a "professional".
I wish criminals see it your way where only professionals will carry stolen and unregistered firearms.
And no I do not get it after seeing half a car full of police reservist was cut down by a assailant armed with a assault rifle. If some of them did not have a firearm they all would have been dead as to where one passed away and 2 was wounded. Do you think someone who breaks into homes with the knowledge that the people might be home will enter the premises unarmed? By the time the police gets there the burglar had his way with your wife smoked a ciggarette and flipped her over for seconds.

My wife only smokes with her pants off! head like a shrimp, but tasty in the tail, snazzy lill' beaver too even is it stinks of shrimp paste and makes you cagg with a tongue swipe.......
Your comments further the cause of limiting weapons availability amongst the USA. Hopeful this become a worldwide phenomena..............
I once hope nukes cancelled out the conventional weapons trade, unfortunately due to your countries "entrepreneurs" this hasn't been the case.
When talk is cheap and it makes life a similar value to words.......... in a gunslinger mentality.
Now I am a 5'10" 175lb middle aged male and you know what, I think my mouth is better then an iron bar or gun for denfence, not that I couldn't be wise with either weapon if needed, but using that as reason to arm loosely capably people will do more harm then good.
Granted 1:100 people has pyschopathic capasity(pyscosis-most due to use of drugs or the sale of drugs-note I don't say "illicite") money spent on public mental health would produce greater returns in cost effectivity..........
Nicotine is shit too mate, don't smoke- like Yull Brinner said " what ever you do, do don't smoke" Wise words.....................magnificent 7' funny the jap brand of smokes.
how many people will legal tobacco kill this year, but not get " man one" for??????????
 
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alkemyst

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There is nothing here. Bunch of cursing and talking trash, but nothing out of the norm for most kids his age. All this digging up shows nothing but a normal 17 year old kid who has learned some stuff off the street. But nothing violent.

You miss the part of him assaulting a bus driver and his friends cheering him on about it?
 

alkemyst

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He was doing community patrolling. Would you do it without a gun? I would not. But both of them saw each other as the bad guy basically.

Technically he wasn't patrolling that night, but on the way out of the neighborhood for personal reasons.

Irrelevant IMHO as if I was part of a community and saw something suspicious I would stop. I don't carry a gun currently, but I usually have an OC Spray and a small knife on me.

I am not sure if it's been officially stated whether Zimmerman has admitted he carries concealed while on patrol. IMHO it doesn't matter, you have a right as a permit holder in that.

Many neighborhood watches frown on it, much like dispatch/police frown on a victim shooting back at an assailant in general.

There have been 911 calls where the victim was worried if they should use their guns or not and told not too/that the police will handle it. There has only been only one public one from South Carolina I think where a young mother was questioning her children's safety that dispatch told her 'do what you need to do'.

In many of the other cases the victims ended up having to shoot or were overpowered once the assailants knew where they were.
 

alkemyst

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Now I am a 5'10" 175lb middle aged male and you know what, I think my mouth is better then an iron bar or gun for denfence, not that I couldn't be wise with either weapon if needed, but using that as reason to arm loosely capably people will do more harm then good.


words only matter to those that are intelligent and rational. Thugs on the street don't really care what you have to say.

What are you going to tell them?

"Hey dude, you touch me and I am calling the police?"

"You know it's 3 strikes and life, you feeling lucky punk?"


You are admitting you may need a weapon, yet want to remove weapons from everyone?

This is the crux of your failed debate.

I suppose you believe in communist and socialist nations everyone is truly equal too.
 

alkemyst

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gingermeggs

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one of my closest friends looks like tray'
 

classy

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You miss the part of him assaulting a bus driver and his friends cheering him on about it?

More lies. There was one tweet about swinging on some bus driver, when did that happened. Any proof he attacked anyone? There is nothing that has been produced shows he was some violent thug. Maybe a drug user and possibly a thief, but nothing violent. In this confrontation between these two people, only one person had a history of violence, Zimmerman.
 

corwin

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More lies. There was one tweet about swinging on some bus driver, when did that happened. Any proof he attacked anyone? There is nothing that has been produced shows he was some violent thug. Maybe a drug user and possibly a thief, but nothing violent. In this confrontation between these two people, only one person had a history of violence, Zimmerman.
Even if that's so there's always a first time no? Criminal activity usually increases as a person goes through life in that path...failure to allow for other possibilities shows a closed mind...
 

gingermeggs

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words only matter to those that are intelligent and rational. Thugs on the street don't really care what you have to say.

What are you going to tell them?

"Hey dude, you touch me and I am calling the police?"

"You know it's 3 strikes and life, you feeling lucky punk?"


You are admitting you may need a weapon, yet want to remove weapons from everyone?

This is the crux of your failed debate.

I suppose you believe in communist and socialist nations everyone is truly equal too.
thats shit talk even the street has a morality....it's humanity you are a part of it.
You shouldn't make conflict unless it's self defence
AND I've live in countries that have more reason to hate then the USA!!!!!!! look a man in the eye and show them your heart.... they are your equal, no god needed, apes doing their best- interconnection was their leg over the rest of nature! be a man and be fucken proud of it, but even more importantly respect what you are on common level....Man. risks against this attitude are greater... economically!! capitalists....look at latino amerika~
 

Orignal Earl

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one of my closest friends looks like tray'

When I first saw that pic I thought it was Steve Urkel.
Which of course made it even more funny when I realized that peeps here were saying these were the gang poses that I am supposed to be scared of
 

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More lies. There was one tweet about swinging on some bus driver, when did that happened. Any proof he attacked anyone? There is nothing that has been produced shows he was some violent thug. Maybe a drug user and possibly a thief, but nothing violent. In this confrontation between these two people, only one person had a history of violence, Zimmerman.

At this point, people have been trying to paint the kid as a saint. Many do not want to ruin that image.
 
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The family of Martin was behind a lot of it as they were willing to talk. Zimmerman was advised by his lawyers to remain out of the media as well as death threats also rolling in by the next day.

Zimmerman is taking the high road in this and really hasn't brought up much derogatory statements against Martin and has kept it very matter-of-factly.

The Martin's are on a smear campaign and do not want any of their son's past released. They are working on sueing the school and demanding the person responsible be fired that leaked their son's involvement with vandalism, handling stolen property, trespassing, and drug use/sales. They say it has nothing to do with who their son is. They feel (who can blame them) that Martin's current pictures don't show who their son really was and the Martin at 12 years old is the best example. Likewise they think 'anyone can put on a suit' and Zimmerman's current pictures don't represent that same man back from 2005 with violence in his blood.

They feel Zimmerman being violent in the past makes his guilt 100% beyond a reason of a doubt.

Now that Zimmerman actually has a $10k bounty on his head, it's making it even harder for him to talk to the press and I believe that was the true intention of that.

Many now believe all the facebook and twitter stuff has been fabricated and Martin's current pictures are fake.

The one with the guy shooting the middle fingers up was an admitted hoax by a reporter that admitted he was stirring the pot. They are extending that to say all the other pics are fakes which is not true. Yet everyday someone posts up a definite fake for both sides which isn't helping when the weak-minded buy into them immediately.


Someone at my work, whose husband works for a local news station, has said that the trayvon family lawyers have been sending out removal requests for anyone using pics of trayvon without express permission. Apparently they're quoting a child protection law in florida that has to do with pics not taken by you, and not given to you by the child's guardians.




Can anyone confirm this?
 

corwin

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thats shit talk even the street has a morality....it's humanity you are a part of it.
You shouldn't make conflict unless it's self defence
AND I've live in countries that have more reason to hate then the USA!!!!!!! look a man in the eye and show them your heart.... they are your equal, no god needed, apes doing their best- interconnection was their leg over the rest of nature! be a man and be fucken proud of it, but even more importantly respect what you are on common level....Man. risks against this attitude are greater... economically!! capitalists....look at latino amerika~
Wait...don't tell me...you're from Nigeria right? I can haz iPad?
 

gingermeggs

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So you're a middle aged man that hangs out with "kids" and rambles incoherently in posts? Please, tell us more...
SORRY I have latin mind, I was taught English language, but I talk with my hands, I even speak easy with deaf people and dont sign, I use my face expression to an extreme by Anglo-sax mindset- but hell dude, I have traveled in every other continent- except north America(excluding Canada and Alaska ), fuck me IVE DRIVEN CATTLE IN MONGOLIA, wrestled and shot wolves with horse bows off a steppe pony(try to do that?).

All I ever seen is people with the lest give the most! respect.... well fuck me man' you ain't no ape, you are just a monkey!
 

classy

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Even if that's so there's always a first time no? Criminal activity usually increases as a person goes through life in that path...failure to allow for other possibilities shows a closed mind...

True, but considering Martin's actions to avoid a confrontation with Zimmerman, there is zero reason for me to believe he all sudden just graduated to a new level.
 

corwin

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SORRY I have latin mind, I was taught English language, but I talk with my hands, I even speak easy with deaf people and dont sign, I use my face expression to an extreme by Anglo-sax mindset- but hell dude, I have traveled in every other continent- except north America(excluding Canada and Alaska ), fuck me IVE DRIVEN CATTLE IN MONGOLIA, wrestled and shot wolves with horse bows off a steppe pony(try to do that?).

All I ever seen is people with the lest give the most! respect.... well fuck me man' you ain't no ape, you are just a monkey!
Then you ain't seen nothing yet...take a stroll in south central or some other hood to see the "people with the least give the most" then come back and talk to us...if you can
 

classy

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At this point, people have been trying to paint the kid as a saint. Many do not want to ruin that image.

When this story hit, in less than a week we knew all about his school suspensions, tweets, and everything else. But fact still remains, he committed no crime, was unarmed, and killed by a stranger who followed and chased him.
 

gingermeggs

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When I first saw that pic I thought it was Steve Urkel.
Which of course made it even more funny when I realized that peeps here were saying these were the gang poses that I am supposed to be scared of

Your words cut deep for me, my dead bro talk fondly of steve erkle'
but it was a Gurka person he reminded me of not an afrikan amerikan, funny its a small world.
This has cause deep grief and sadness for many in the human world. its a loss for all people.
 
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Wow.



Thug confirmed.

At this point, I am beyond disgusted at this "image" that his parents, trayvon family lawyers, etc have painted of this supposed child.




Like I said... look like a thug, act like a thug, and then get treated like a thug and you shouldn't be surprised.


This isn't about a hoody either, it's about associating with thug/gang mentality.





The black community should be outraged at how this has been handled and pumped up by the trayvon family/lawyers.

Like I said earlier, the real travesty in this is that the next "real trayvon" situation will be blown under the rug since this has turned out to be a bunch of BS redirection for attention and money.
 

corwin

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True, but considering Martin's actions to avoid a confrontation with Zimmerman, there is zero reason for me to believe he all sudden just graduated to a new level.
Initially yes he sure did, but honestly I don't rule out that when they did cross paths the "boy" may have went off for his perceived injustice from being followed in the first place, hence the confrontational "why you following me?" Given the mindset of MANY "kids" these days I believe that's a very real possibility and to ignore that as impossible is to ignore reality. His past is not painting the picture of a nice little honor student which is why his family tried so hard to keep it from being known, in and of themselves the incidents are minor but they show a pattern of behavior that could lead to just such a reaction.
 

gingermeggs

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Then you ain't seen nothing yet...take a stroll in south central or some other hood to see the "people with the least give the most" then come back and talk to us...if you can
Maybe that would be for your cultural benefit, not mine....land of the free>????
Stand as man,
fall as one,
one day we all,
fall as one,
Man, be one man!
what you fear is your own hate, show the heart of man, what you show isn't black or white!
Regret of your own personal past.......
el COMINO MOVIE BY EASTWARD WASNT FOR MONEY I GUESS

BUT I SHIT YOU IN ONE WAY- I was a identical twin, I have red hair, alpha character, irrepressibly , so when it came to being a minority, I had the greatest experience.
My favorite mentor is Geronimo ....... won't work for some character types in the way we live today... but where you state, I would bet money I could go there and give and get RESPECT!
tHE KEY TO THAT IS...I AM AFTER NOTHING EXCEPT EQUAL RESPECT FOR MY LIFE AND TO LIVE///
 
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CZroe

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proof of murder = dead person.
Idiocy. If every dead person in the history of the world was murdered, then we must be able to live forever without being killed.

proof of death = dead person.
FTFY. Now, I know that you are saying that the proof of murder in this case is that he is dead, but that is every bit as idiotic. Do you believe it just because he was unarmed? That means you believe that it is never OK to use lethal force on an attacker unless they used it on you first and retaliated with an equal weapon. That is not self defense. Waiting to be shot at first is lunacy and no one ever said that you could only defend yourself against a similar attack.
 

corwin

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When this story hit, in less than a week we knew all about his school suspensions, tweets, and everything else. But fact still remains, he committed no crime, was unarmed, and killed by a stranger who followed and chased him.
No we didn't...there were false stories of being suspended for being tardy etc...and his parents initially claimed it was a 5 day suspension which is now confirmed as 10...they've specifically witheld recent photos and are trying to paint him as a saint and anything negative is a smear...I don;t blame them but from an outside perspective it makes me wonder what else they're hiding that hasn't come out yet...and if true he started the fight he most definitely did commit a crime