Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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micrometers

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Do you honestly think there would be the same public outcry if the pictures of Trayvon made him look like a gang member while the one of Zimmerman portrayed him as a white collar professional? I never said whether it is right or wrong but somehow I don't see Obama saying Trayvon could look like his son if he was portrayed that way by the media.

I guess I should have expected people to make unfounded conclusions based on that post since they have been doing it throughout the entire thread.

like this?

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/local/more-trayvon-martin-photos-released/gfGy/#1379364

It still matters. They lost a son, senselessly. You people have no empathy for the loss the parents have faced.
 

micrometers

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So justice=whatever you feel? if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty I suggest you contact the Martin family's attorney since I am sure he would appreciate your assistance. Somehow I don't think you can do that and are just out for blood to satisfy your faux outrage and don't care if justice is served or not.

It is widely accepted by most legal analysts that the SYG law WHICH IS A RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS AT ODDS WITH HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF COMMON LAW TRADITION is responsible for a lack of arrest and charge for murder/manslaughter.
 

Nintendesert

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I find the most compelling part of this story how quickly the (D) part has tossed aside the hispanic community to pander to the racism cries. Zimmerman is as white as Obama is. Oh but Hispanic is white on the census so our little racism witch hunt doesn't sound as great as Hispanic man shoots Black Youth. You need white vs. black for that.

I'm sure this election when the (D)s decide we're allowed to be a distinctive Hispanic community again we're just going to rush out to vote for them. :rolleyes:
 

lotus503

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What evidence do you have of murder? The best they could do is manslaughter and there is no evidence of that either.

Ate you paying attention to the facts and evidence at all?

If forensics show Martin was away from Zimmerman when shot its murder.

John saw Martin on Zimmerman
Austin saw Zimmerman on the ground but not Martin.

Martin could have heard John say he was calling the cops and got up, Zimmerman better hope it was a really close shot.
 

micrometers

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TRAYVON_MARTIN_NEW_PHOTO_1_t615.jpg
 

lotus503

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It is widely accepted by most legal analysts that the SYG law WHICH IS A RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS AT ODDS WITH HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF COMMON LAW TRADITION is responsible for a lack of arrest and charge for murder/manslaughter.

I agree its why he has yet to be charged
 

Attic

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if that's what you choose to focus on, that makes you a racist. Racists will harp on any flaw in order to side with the white guy.

Sometimes you need to follow the trajectory back from the target to find out where the racism is, and the racism is coming directly from you here.

Disagreement is not legitimate grounds for bringing out a racism charge, though the tactics allure is like crack for idiots.

Check back in with the first 5-10 pages of the thread to see the attack used over and over to silent or discredit the opposition.
 

Puddle Jumper

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It is widely accepted by most legal analysts that the SYG law WHICH IS A RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS AT ODDS WITH HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF COMMON LAW TRADITION is responsible for a lack of arrest and charge for murder/manslaughter.

The fact that you're typing in caps will certainly convince people.

Stand your ground is not that new, many other states have had it for a while now. Anyways the concept of the law is still good the real question is always whether the person who did the shooting was the instigator or if they were the victim acting in self defense. Since there appears to be no evidence that proves Zimmerman started the fight he can't be charged.
 

micrometers

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Sometimes you need to follow the trajectory back from the target to find out where the racism is, and the racism is coming directly from you here.

Disagreement is not legitimate grounds for bringing out a racism charge, though the tactics allure is like crack for idiots.

Check back in with the first 5-10 pages of the thread to see the attack used over and over to silent or discredit the opposition.

It certainly is. People are comparing this to the most negative *black* events. They have put it in an entirely black frame of mind. They aren't bringing up more relevant cases that occur.

The Trevor Dooley case is much more relevant to this case than any other, but people say that it's Trayvana Brawley all over again. It's not even close to comparable.

That's why it is racism on your part.
 

micrometers

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The fact that you're typing in caps will certainly convince people.

Stand your ground is not that new, many other states have had it for a while now. Anyways the concept of the law is still good the real question is always whether the person who did the shooting was the instigator or if they were the victim acting in self defense. Since there appears to be no evidence that proves Zimmerman started the fight he can't be charged.

stand your ground is new. It was passed in 2005. FL was the first to pass it.
 

Puddle Jumper

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stand your ground is new. It was passed in 2005. FL was the first to pass it.

I don't see what is wrong with the concept of the stand your ground law, it stops people from being forced to flee from criminals . I do think it would be reasonable to put some protection in place to avoid protecting the instigator from prosecution however that's a double edged sword that could lead to some people not being protected by the law who should be.

Even then I'm not sure such a restriction would be applicable to this case sine it is possible Martin instigated the physical conflict
 

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SYG was supposed to help battered women who couldn't escape from their husbands at home. Not for vigilantes to comb the streets, looking for a "suspicious" black teenager.
 

M0RPH

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The latest CNN article shows a change in the verbal exchange the girlfriend heard:

"What are you stopping me for?" Martin asked Zimmerman, according to the girl.

"What are you doing around here?" Zimmerman asked in response.
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I don't put much faith in this girl's account, but let's assume for a minute these are accurate quotes of what was said. Anyone have any thoughts on the meaning of Trayvon's question?

"What are you stopping me for?"

Seems an odd thing to ask. Almost sounds like something you would ask of a police officer, or someone that you knew to be acting in a similar role... like a neighborhood watch person. Could it be that TM was not in fact fearful of this strange guy, but knew that he was neighborhood watch and just annoyed at being "stopped" by him?

How else could you explain this choice of words?
 

micrometers

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I don't see what is wrong with the concept of the stand your ground law, it stops people from being forced to flee from criminals . I do think it would be reasonable to put some protection in place to avoid protecting the instigator from prosecution however that's a double edged sword that could lead to some people not being protected by the law who should be.

Even then I'm not sure such a restriction would be applicable to this case sine it is possible Martin instigated the physical conflict

You really don't understand why law enforcement was opposed, do you?
 

WHAMPOM

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Well at least we know that you do believe that just because you do not agree with the court ruling that is was a good excuse to riot and injure more innocent people and do tens of thousands of damage to business' and the city? And it is OK to place a dead or alive bounty on Zimmerman's head just to get attention?

Now we know that you are stupid.

I thought that was "alive and unharmed".
 

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What evidence do you have of murder? The best they could do is manslaughter and there is no evidence of that either.

Ate you paying attention to the facts and evidence at all?

man what a joke, there is evidence. Just not enough for a conviction, so they decided, for now. But for you keep saying there is no evidence is assinine.
 

Svnla

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All local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX) were showing the stories about T and Z again.

Funny how none of them showed any "up to date" pictures of T and Z, still the same old pics of Z in orange jump suit and T in several years old pics. So much for journalist integrity.
 

OCNewbie

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A couple questions:

#1 - Has any more evidence surfaced, other than the police report listing Trayvon at 160 lbs, about Trayvon's weight and Zimmerman's weight on the night of the shooting? I keep reading reports across the web talking about Zimmerman weighing 250 lbs, and Trayvon weighing 140, and this contributing to a disbelief that Trayvon could have physically overpowered Zimmerman.

#2 - I asked earlier, but don't think I got a reply: I've seen people reference here twice that GZ was "rolling up on" TM, in his truck. Does anybody know this to be true, or have a link detailing that GZ's vehicle was not stationary while he was on the phone with police?
 

Geosurface

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One of the most eye-opening things for me about this case has been learning conclusively that my side of the political spectrum can be just as illogically emotional, manipulative, and ignorant of the evidence that may challenge their views as the other.

I will go forward from this with a much more skeptical eye to what I see in the news, that's for sure. And that isn't me saying I didn't already have a nice dose of skepticism, but I'm figuring out that you can never have too much.