Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Puddle Jumper

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If you don't think ANY court is not going to find Z at least partly if not mostly responsible for the events your sadly mistaken. Anyone with some common sense could understand that a 17yr old being chased at night for no reason might react with him taking a swing, it's called being scared shitless kid. You can banter back and forth about what person claimed to see what or who swung first but the inescapable fact that if Z follows the 911 dispatch instructions the confrontation would not have happened..

Are you still going by the pictures of a 12 year old the media released. Martin wasn't a child and already had a history of vandalism and drug possession with possible drug dealing and theft as well.
 

dwell

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Every time I see Trayvon Martins parents on TV i'm reminded of what Tawana Brawley's parents said 20 years after the charges.

More Al Sharpton race baiting. Al and Jesse are on a plane as soon as they hear there's a possibility a black person was killed by a white one. They're like ambulance chasers for suspected racism.
 

Attic

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After justice is served in the case it will be a good time for the nation to begin to correctly identify racist behavior and methods so that we can move in the correct direction away from it.

The response to the tragedy is revealed a lot about racism in America. The only place we are sure that racism was involved was in the response.
 

Karl Agathon

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Are you still going by the pictures of a 12 year old the media released. Martin wasn't a child and already had a history of vandalism and drug possession with possible drug dealing and theft as well.

My question is, why initially were only pictures of a very baby faced young kid only shown? Yet only a "menacing" mug shot of the accused?
 

BUTCH1

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Zimmerman didn't know that esp if his claim Martin was reaching under his shirt for a possible gun.

We know Zimmerman didn't even want to give his home address to the police over this incident that obviously scared him more than his other 911 calls.

If that 17 year old was armed he may have taken a shot instead of a swing.

Only more reason to let a genuine LEO come to the scene and check him out, since fattie GZ was overwhelmed by a whopping 140lb 17 yr. old it makes even more inevitable he would need to use a gun, looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag..
 

micrometers

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More Al Sharpton race baiting. Al and Jesse are on a plane as soon as they hear there's a possibility a black person was killed by a white one. They're like ambulance chasers for suspected racism.

I see you've already made up your racist mind.
 

lotus503

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He had originally said he wasn't sure, it was very dark and his dog got off the leash.

Crutcher claimed little boy later, the day after the 'little boy' pictures were leaked out...the original day she and many others refused to talk to police (of cource all these peeps looking to make profits off this said the police refused to interview them).

We know now that those little boy screams were Zimmermans.

Do you have anything that contradictes?

"In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239
 

lotus503

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One of the screwed up things above is everyone saying one must submit to testing in the event of a good shoot. Total violation of rights for someone that commited no crime, but easy for people to 'want' than feel they'd never be involved in one.

Then police can ask him to he has a right to refuse it, but they didnt even ask, he could have said sure and we would have that evidence.
 

Puddle Jumper

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My question is, why initially were only pictures of a very baby faced young kid only shown? Yet only a "menacing" mug shot of the accused?

I'm sure the Martin family's lawyer thought it would get his clients more sympathy and build more outrage if Trayvon was pictured as a innocent little kid rather than a >6' adult with multiple tattoos. I would say it was sucessful too, if we saw a modern image of Trayvon vs the image of Zimmerman in a suit no one would have given the case any attention.

Thanks to that biased description of the incident and how quickly most of the public jumped on board with the outrage before seeing all of the facts we could be facing the possibility of riots if Zimmerman doesn't get charged whether he is guilty or not.
 

micrometers

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It's common sense that if you shoot someone on the street you ought to be tested.

I mean, we test olympic athletes job seekers all the time. It's not too much of a reach to test MURDER SUSPECTS.
 

micrometers

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I'm sure the Martin family's lawyer thought it would get his clients more sympathy and build more outrage if Trayvon was pictured as a innocent little kid rather than a >6' adult with multiple tattoos. I would say it was sucessful too, if we saw a modern image of Trayvon vs the image of Zimmerman in a suit no one would have given the case any attention.

Thanks to that biased description of the incident and how quickly most of the public jumped on board with the outrage before seeing all of the facts we could be facing the possibility of riots if Zimmerman doesn't get charged whether he is guilty or not.

Whatever. The facts still are that he killed a 17 year old kid under highly questionable circumstances and won't even be indicted for his death.
 

dwell

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I see you've already made up your racist mind.

I am the farthest thing from a racist, but screw you anyway for insinuating that.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do more harm than good in these cases. Any who does not want to see them involved is not a racist.
 

BUTCH1

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Are you still going by the pictures of a 12 year old the media released. Martin wasn't a child and already had a history of vandalism and drug possession with possible drug dealing and theft as well.

All of it are typical teen BS, hell I did some stupid shit myself at that age, possible this, possible that, it's all irrelevant anyway since the night of his death he was just going home with some snacks and was NOT engaged in committing ANY crime whatsoever. His "suspicious" activity consisted of trying to dodge the frequent rain squalls that were rolling through (I live 40 mi. from Sanford, it was raining on/off for 2-3 days) by going under the roof of a mailbox area and probably pulling up his dreaded hood in an attempt to stay dry. Shocking news just in: hooded sweatshirts have been around forever, I had them when I was a kid too, frequently wearers will pull the hood over to avoid getting wet/snowed on or to keep warm..
 

Puddle Jumper

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Whatever. The facts still are that he killed a 17 year old kid under highly questionable circumstances and won't even be indicted for his death.

And? It's better for 100 guilty men to go free than a single innocent man be falsely imprisoned. If you would rather have a justice system based on mob rule I'm sure there are a couple of third world countries that should fit the bill.
 

BUTCH1

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I'm sure the Martin family's lawyer thought it would get his clients more sympathy and build more outrage if Trayvon was pictured as a innocent little kid rather than a >6' adult with multiple tattoos. I would say it was sucessful too, if we saw a modern image of Trayvon vs the image of Zimmerman in a suit no one would have given the case any attention.

Thanks to that biased description of the incident and how quickly most of the public jumped on board with the outrage before seeing all of the facts we could be facing the possibility of riots if Zimmerman doesn't get charged whether he is guilty or not.

Yep, a dress style alone is deserving of death :rolleyes: I'm sure there would be no outrage if we knew TM had any tats cause tats are bad, go ahead and shoot up folks with tats... :rolleyes:
 

CitizenKain

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At has no bearing on the attack by Martin and on top of Zimmerman.

Why do folks keep clutching to what if and not what happened? By all accounts this is self defense. All evidence released shows this to be true. You can't what if after the fact.

I ask again. What unlawful action is there besides martins attack on Zimmerman?

You seem to be confusing what one person says to be fact. Just because Zimmerman says it doesn't mean its fact. Just because you say it to the police doesn't make it fact either.
 

micrometers

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I am the farthest thing from a racist, but screw you anyway for insinuating that.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do more harm than good in these cases. Any who does not want to see them involved is not a racist.

if that's what you choose to focus on, that makes you a racist. Racists will harp on any flaw in order to side with the white guy.
 

micrometers

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And? It's better for 100 guilty men to go free than a single innocent man be falsely imprisoned. If you would rather have a justice system based on mob rule I'm sure there are a couple of third world countries that should fit the bill.

I'd rather have a justice system based on justice rather than the NRA's mushy-headed gun rights legislation.
 

micrometers

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All of it are typical teen BS, hell I did some stupid shit myself at that age, possible this, possible that, it's all irrelevant anyway since the night of his death he was just going home with some snacks and was NOT engaged in committing ANY crime whatsoever. His "suspicious" activity consisted of trying to dodge the frequent rain squalls that were rolling through (I live 40 mi. from Sanford, it was raining on/off for 2-3 days) by going under the roof of a mailbox area and probably pulling up his dreaded hood in an attempt to stay dry. Shocking news just in: hooded sweatshirts have been around forever, I had them when I was a kid too, frequently wearers will pull the hood over to avoid getting wet/snowed on or to keep warm..

If he were white, this would be Asher Roth lovable territory.
 

Puddle Jumper

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Yep, a dress style alone is deserving of death :rolleyes: I'm sure there would be no outrage if we knew TM had any tats cause tats are bad, go ahead and shoot up folks with tats... :rolleyes:

Do you honestly think there would be the same public outcry if the pictures of Trayvon made him look like a gang member while the one of Zimmerman portrayed him as a white collar professional? I never said whether it is right or wrong but somehow I don't see Obama saying Trayvon could look like his son if he was portrayed that way by the media.

I guess I should have expected people to make unfounded conclusions based on that post since they have been doing it throughout the entire thread.
 

Puddle Jumper

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I'd rather have a justice system based on justice rather than the NRA's mushy-headed gun rights legislation.

So justice=whatever you feel? if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty I suggest you contact the Martin family's attorney since I am sure he would appreciate your assistance. Somehow I don't think you can do that and are just out for blood to satisfy your faux outrage and don't care if justice is served or not.
 

spidey07

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It's common sense that if you shoot someone on the street you ought to be tested.

I mean, we test olympic athletes job seekers all the time. It's not too much of a reach to test MURDER SUSPECTS.

What evidence do you have of murder? The best they could do is manslaughter and there is no evidence of that either.

Ate you paying attention to the facts and evidence at all?
 

lotus503

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And? It's better for 100 guilty men to go free than a single innocent man be falsely imprisoned. If you would rather have a justice system based on mob rule I'm sure there are a couple of third world countries that should fit the bill.

Investigations not over, he may be charged with something yet.

Police have a lot fo tools at their disposal and didnt use as many as they should have that night, thats what started all the fuss.

Hell you even have the homicide detective submitting and affidavit that says he was " unconvinced of Zimmerman's account".

So sure he has a right to due process but thats dosent mean it was self defense, not until the investigation is over.