Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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umbrella39

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I've also listen to the audio of the alleged racial slur over and over. Seriously it could be punks or coons. If you listen thinking it is one thing you hear that. I'm serious. If I think he's about to say fucking punks I hear fucking punks. If I think he is about to say fucking coons I hear fucking coons. The audio to garbled to make it out at all.

I can hear coons, cunts, punks... I think people will hear what they are expecting to hear. But the one thing I had not been able to hear before until I had listened with good speakers was all the odd door knocking noises. Not sure what to make of those.
 

nobodyknows

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Goodness I have watched the goal posts move again and again and at the end of the day, Zimmerman killed this "fucking my excellent compatriot" in cold blood I think the only question that remains is why did it take this long for this fucking lunatic to snap. I think most non ALT trolls here will agree this guy is going to fry and rightfully so. 3000+ posts won't change that. The family is going to get paid and rightfully so, too. The obtuse here are stuck on their agendas and to continue to "argue" with them and to point out their obvious obfuscations and outright lies is a waste of time and energy.

What a difference a week makes.
 

classy

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Austin Brown originally described two people fighting and wished he did something to help them. His dad says he is traumatized so the father is handling relaying the testimony. The father went on record in the beginning saying Martin was innocent.

I wouldn't trust this testimony anymore than Crutcher's that keeps getting more detailed every time she tells it.

Dude all you do is lie, that is not what he said. Also Crutcher has been interviewed 2-3 times and has said the exact same thing everytime.

Austin's mother, Sheryl Brown, said that the trauma from the night has not been limited to what her son witnessed. It also includes the way she says that the police and some media have twisted his account of the night to fit a self-defense theory, to say that a 13-year-old witness has claimed Zimmerman, and not Martin, was screaming for help. Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.

Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help. And while the police have said that they don't have any evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, the investigators had a different story when they visited her family about a week after the shooting, Brown said.

"That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense," Brown said, recalling the day the police came to interview Austin. "Several times he said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people.' He looked at me and said, 'You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"

She continued: "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that. I don't know if that was to make me less uncomfortable or to make us feel that he was on our side."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html


And the kid has not been doing good since.
 

spidey07

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Thats just racist fantasy

You disagree with the evidence we have then? I'm describing likely motive of said forcible felony by Martin.

What evidence have you of a crime committed by any other than Martin? I know you keep bring up negligent/reckless behavior, I'll leave that to the special prosecutor who says they have very little evidence of a crime (other than attack by Martin, verified by MANY sources of evidence) and would likely fail a grand jury.

It probably burns up your racist mind in an effort to hang a hispanic male, I'll stick to the facts and evidence.

Justice has been served. You viciously attack somebody, your justice is getting ventilated.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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If people feel that there is no justice in crimes committed against them they are likely to riot. It's a way of releasing that tension and underlying anger. IT may be something alien to you but it happens. The bounty idea was not a good one but it certainly got people's attention. Perhaps that was the point. I don't know. What I do know is that laws and courts are in not infallible. Despite the laws on the books, there was slavery. Despite the laws on the books after the Civil War there was widespread discrimination by civilians and politicians.

Sometimes you need to think before you shit something out of your mouth and present it to others as your informed opinion...

Well at least we know that you do believe that just because you do not agree with the court ruling that is was a good excuse to riot and injure more innocent people and do tens of thousands of damage to business' and the city? And it is OK to place a dead or alive bounty on Zimmerman's head just to get attention?

Now we know that you are stupid.
 

nobodyknows

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Yeah I have stated that as my opinion, I have also stated I am not sure if that applies under Florida law. I am not a legal expert and do not have the time to evaluate all of the law surrounding the case.

Just because my opinion is that he was reckless in pursuit doesnt mean that he can be legally charged with it and it in no way says I think I know more than the police.

I think my interipitation of events is spot on and lines up with the evidence whether or not that a crime or not is up for law enforcement to determine.

I have the luxury of forming opinions, the police can just evaluate the evidence.


If you want to disuss my previous posts thats fine but it has nothing to do with me pointing out Spideys evidence is Zimmermans statement, in regards to going back to his car.

You know the post you responded to with out of context babbling.

So form an opinion already. You just keep spinning the story to suit the outcome you want, that Zimmerman is guilty of..... something!!
 

spidey07

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lotus503

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You disagree with the evidence we have then? I'm describing likely motive of said forcible felony by Martin.

What evidence have you of a crime committed by any other than Martin? I know you keep bring up negligent/reckless behavior, I'll leave that to the special prosecutor who says they have very little evidence of a crime (other than attack by Martin, verified by MANY sources of evidence) and would likely fail a grand jury.

It probably burns up your racist mind in an effort to hang a hispanic male, I'll stick to the facts and evidence.

Justice has been served. You viciously attack somebody, your justice is getting ventilated.

"I'm describing likely motive of said forcible felony by Martin."

Likley as determined by your own mind.
 

micrometers

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Dude all you do is lie, that is not what he said. Also Crutcher has been interviewed 2-3 times and has said the exact same thing everytime.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html


And the kid has not been doing good since.

This shows that there is dissent in the PD. That the lead investigator recommended manslaughter is huge news IMO, and ultimately I do believe that it really be a case of SYG standing in the way of justice.
 

spidey07

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This shows that there is dissent in the PD. That the lead investigator recommended manslaughter is huge news IMO, and ultimately I do believe that it really be a case of SYG standing in the way of justice.

Dude. This isn't tv. It's not a cop attorney drama show. A victim had to kill somebody in self defense.
 

alkemyst

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Dude all you do is lie, that is not what he said. Also Crutcher has been interviewed 2-3 times and has said the exact same thing everytime.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html


And the kid has not been doing good since.

She has had more than 2-3 interviews on local news and her story has indeed changed.

The kid is a pawn by his parents. They believed he was confused by what he saw that first night and have since had a son in agreement.
 

lotus503

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She has had more than 2-3 interviews on local news and her story has indeed changed.

The kid is a pawn by his parents. They believed he was confused by what he saw that first night and have since had a son in agreement.

when you see something like that it burns in your mind, Funny how you want to do nothing but discount any witnesses that dont fit with your version of what happend
 

nobodyknows

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This shows that there is dissent in the PD. That the lead investigator recommended manslaughter is huge news IMO, and ultimately I do believe that it really be a case of SYG standing in the way of justice.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3ISl4HLt8F


The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...to-arrest-zimmerman-for-shooting-unarmed-teen

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, saying he did not believe Zimmerman's version of events.
The City of Sanford later issued an alert to "clarify a statement made related to the police report."
In part, the alert read "A reporter stated that based on the description of the incident on the report, that the officer on scene wished to have Mr. Zimmerman arrested and charged with the 'Uniform Crime Code' listed on the report. That is not accurate. All police reports from all law enforcement agencies require a 'Uniform Crime Code' to qualify an incident and for statistical purposes for tracking types of incidents. This code does not indicate a formal charge that will be lodged against an alleged offender. It is used for internal processing and to type cases.


So apparently this report about the lead investigator was fabricated by some reporter wihout all thwe facts.

And the circus goes on.


 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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You disagree with the evidence we have then? I'm describing likely motive of said forcible felony by Martin.

What evidence have you of a crime committed by any other than Martin? I know you keep bring up negligent/reckless behavior, I'll leave that to the special prosecutor who says they have very little evidence of a crime (other than attack by Martin, verified by MANY sources of evidence) and would likely fail a grand jury.

It probably burns up your racist mind in an effort to hang a hispanic male, I'll stick to the facts and evidence.

Justice has been served. You viciously attack somebody, your justice is getting ventilated.

If you don't think ANY court is not going to find Z at least partly if not mostly responsible for the events your sadly mistaken. Anyone with some common sense could understand that a 17yr old being chased at night for no reason might react with him taking a swing, it's called being scared shitless kid. You can banter back and forth about what person claimed to see what or who swung first but the inescapable fact that if Z follows the 911 dispatch instructions the confrontation would not have happened..
 

monovillage

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Every time I see Trayvon Martins parents on TV i'm reminded of what Tawana Brawley's parents said 20 years after the charges.

"How could we make this up and take down the state of New York? We're just regular people," Glenda Brawley said to her husband. "We should be millionaires."

Can I still say Trayvon? or has his mother trademarked it yet?
http://now.msn.com/now/0326-trayvon-martin-trademark.aspx

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/20-years-tawana-brawley-turned-back-article-1.258639#ixzz1qN2KWFtL
 

alkemyst

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when you see something like that it burns in your mind, Funny how you want to do nothing but discount any witnesses that dont fit with your version of what happend

He had originally said he wasn't sure, it was very dark and his dog got off the leash.

Crutcher claimed little boy later, the day after the 'little boy' pictures were leaked out...the original day she and many others refused to talk to police (of cource all these peeps looking to make profits off this said the police refused to interview them).

We know now that those little boy screams were Zimmermans.
 

alkemyst

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One of the screwed up things above is everyone saying one must submit to testing in the event of a good shoot. Total violation of rights for someone that commited no crime, but easy for people to 'want' than feel they'd never be involved in one.
 

spidey07

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If you don't think ANY court is not going to find Z at least partly if not mostly responsible for the events your sadly mistaken. Anyone with some common sense could understand that a 17yr old being chased at night for no reason might react with him taking a swing, it's called being scared shitless kid. You can banter back and forth about what person claimed to see what or who swung first but the inescapable fact that if Z follows the 911 dispatch instructions the confrontation would not have happened..

At has no bearing on the attack by Martin and on top of Zimmerman.

Why do folks keep clutching to what if and not what happened? By all accounts this is self defense. All evidence released shows this to be true. You can't what if after the fact.

I ask again. What unlawful action is there besides martins attack on Zimmerman?
 
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alkemyst

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If you don't think ANY court is not going to find Z at least partly if not mostly responsible for the events your sadly mistaken. Anyone with some common sense could understand that a 17yr old being chased at night for no reason might react with him taking a swing, it's called being scared shitless kid. You can banter back and forth about what person claimed to see what or who swung first but the inescapable fact that if Z follows the 911 dispatch instructions the confrontation would not have happened..

Zimmerman didn't know that esp if his claim Martin was reaching under his shirt for a possible gun.

We know Zimmerman didn't even want to give his home address to the police over this incident that obviously scared him more than his other 911 calls.

If that 17 year old was armed he may have taken a shot instead of a swing.