Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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HumblePie

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So far as I know, those claims to violent outbreaks were cases that were dropped. Now there is claims he got help from Dad, but until those are substantiated then those claims are like farts in the wind. Which means he was exonerated of all past cases brought against him. Thus those can not be used against him in a court of law. Thus claiming Zimmerman has a violent "history" or is prone to violence is not miscible.
 

lotus503

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So you have shown you know NOTHING about drug testing here...a BLOOD sample only shows if he was actively under the influence, a URINE sample tests for metabolized proteins that show up for sometimes weeks.

And I wouldn't be betting on your theories...

So he is a habitual drug user and tested clean the night he was shot

GOT it!
 

classy

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She said she thought she heard the sound of "pushing" immediately before the phone went dead.

She seemed to think that someone pushed TM knocking off his headphone/earbuds (whatever) thus terminating the call.

I don't think that any sound she heard can be definitively identified as "pushing". Pushing may certainly fit the bill, but there are actions that could also. I.e., it's just her interpretation as she didn't actually see anything. Nor IMO even if it was a push could know who did the pushing merely from a sound.



Her name is Crutcher.

I gave up on her long ago. In one of her earlier statements to the media she said her blinds were down, she heard crying and only went outside after the gunshot.

Since then has developed a great deal of certitude about things she obviously can't know. E.g., who was crying out. She claims to be absolutely certain it was TM even though she didn't see him until he was killed. She, like the rest have never even heard TM's voice.

The TV has played Z's call a number of times. His voice is quite high and he sounds young to me. I have also heard the 911 tapes and heard the cries for help. To me, it sounds like it could be Z so I can't rule him out as the one crying out. But I haven't heard TM's voice so can't rule him in or out.

Fern

You need to just man up and say you don't believe her, but the woman has been interviewed now 3 times and she has said the same exact thing. She states she heard no struggle or fighting. Just the screams of a what sounded to be a young kid and a gun shot. Her story has not changed one iota. And if the other neighbors heard all the commotion a few doors up, if that type of fighting was still going on she would have heard it to. But she said she did not hear that happening, just the pleading and a gun shot.
 

werepossum

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All of the reports I've read said that he had many of the little baggies. IE he wasn't buying, he was selling. He has apparently punched a bus driver. He has tattoos, gold teeth, and clearly represents "thug culture" is something he respects and follows.

He was in the middle of 10 day out of school suspension. His mother had enough of him, and sent him to stay with his father.
Obviously he was buying and selling. I.e. he was a capitalist. Why do you hate capitalism, you dirty Commie!

/joking

Seriously, as far as the reports go I'm pretty much at the point where I assume everything I hear or read is pulled straight from someone's ass, and probably to push an agenda. Clearly he was causing trouble and his mother sent him to his father to be straightened out with some good old fashioned discipline. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad person or violent though, just a fairly typical teenager from a broken home.
 

HumblePie

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IIRC, there's no proof of him hitting a bus driver is there?

Nope, but I'm not claiming that TM had a violent history either. I said the claims against him show he had a violent history. I just mentioned that his parents shouldn't be sparking outrage over people trying to show possible facts about the current character of their son at the time of the incident.
 

badb0y

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I wonder if Zimmerman had blood on him, if he indeed shot Treyvon while he was pounding him into the ground I would assume he wOuld have blood on his shirt and pants. If Treyvon backed off then there would be minimal blood on Zimmermann and completely disqualify his "self defense" story.
 

lotus503

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So far as I know, those claims to violent outbreaks were cases that were dropped. Now there is claims he got help from Dad, but until those are substantiated then those claims are like farts in the wind. Which means he was exonerated of all past cases brought against him. Thus those can not be used against him in a court of law. Thus claiming Zimmerman has a violent "history" or is prone to violence is not miscible.

He wasnt convicted but he was charged for resisting arrest and got diversion which does not make him not guilty of it..

In the domestic case "Protective injunctions were later ordered in response to both petitions. Both injunctions expired Aug. 24, 2006. "
 

lotus503

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Need for attention.. Yeah maybe we're coming closer and closer to the truth.


Maybe some of us would feel different if they were trying to present their son in an accurate light, rather than the best falsified one possible.


It is not unjust. This not how the law works anywhere in the USA. Zimmerman was defending himself, all of the facts and evidence point to this.





You want zimmerman's blood so badly you can't even think straight. You need to take a step away from the situation and try to look at this with unbiased eyes.

All of the current evidence does but not all of the facts.
 

nobodyknows

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Zimmerman was arrested for resisting arrest in 2005 also had domestic violence case in the same year. Trayvon was suspected by some people as having a violent past based on facebook posts and/or twitter feeds :)

When you read the ex fiances account of Zimmermans behavior its not out of character for him to have intiated a confrontation he ended up on the losing end of.

In fact given the previous documented cases of zimmermans violence, given that Austin Brown saw him laying on the ground but didnt mention martin on top of him, its equally plausable, He assalted Martin, got his ass kicked when Martin backed off he shot him.

That would coincide with Austin Browns account,

"an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin."

No mention of Martin on top of him.

"The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek."

I wonder if thats why Trayvon's call with his girlfriend was interrupted?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ce-20120321_1_petitions-documents-injunctions

You are like a broken record just skipping along repeating the same tired BS with absolutley no proof. Anybody can make accusations.

Maybe the phone call ended because he lost his temper and went after Zimmerman?
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Maybe he just hung up?
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Maybe his battery died?
 
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So he is a habitual drug user and tested clean the night he was shot

GOT it!


Lotus; he clearly did not say that. Throughout this thread you've made a habit of twisting quotes just like this, it dilutes your own credibility. Similar to soundorb and karmy, it's gotten to where none of your posts can be trusted at all.
 

Fern

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I wonder if Zimmerman had blood on him, if he indeed shot Treyvon while he was pounding him into the ground I would assume he wOuld have blood on his shirt and pants. If Treyvon backed off then there would be minimal blood on Zimmermann and completely disqualify his "self defense" story.

Contrary to earlier claims, the police have Z's shirt in evidence. I heard a Sanford City Council confirm this on a TV interview. (IDK about his pants.)

So, yeah the police and prosecutor would know.

Fern
 

piasabird

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I blame the police for not releasing all the facts as soon as they were known. However, I could see how attorneys or a judge would have rule the case sealed because it involves a minor. Often police are prohibited from discloses facts in a case involving a minor. On the other hand the 17 year old has prior legal issues involving drug charges at school. So is he a drug dealer that hates all police or what? Dont expect any straight answers from the family. The family seems to be stretching the truth also.

My sweet innocent little teenager was shot by some racist biggot redneck with a gun and the police did not even charge him???

The worst part is that because the Police are not releasing all the facts in the case the whole situation is getting violent because Black people like to have riots and want to burn down buildings. This is a typical mob action so bring out the firetrucks and firehoses and cool them off.

We have seen this kind of pattern before where the black lawyers and troublemakers whip the people up into committing mob violence, when no one even knows what the truth is. This is what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are good at; stirring up trouble! They should be arrested for instigating a riot.
 

nobodyknows

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Nope, but I'm not claiming that TM had a violent history either. I said the claims against him show he had a violent history. I just mentioned that his parents shouldn't be sparking outrage over people trying to show possible facts about the current character of their son at the time of the incident.

But they want justice, no? Justice is truth in action.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I did.

Better yet, lets hear your theory.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
 

micrometers

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Idiot. I said he should be put on trial. Putting someone on trial is not a violation of the 4th amendment. Indefinite detentions in the WOT are.