Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Lifer
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Well conveniently the only other person in this incident turned up dead. So Zimmerman can make up whatever and people just nod and go "Good, one less black person."

Exactly! Oh, wait, there are witnesses. Oh well for that theory then.

This is all so embarrassing for the black community IMO, how some of its people are dealing with this and going ape over something thy have few facts about. There is at this time no reason to think George is lying and in any case if there is a trial maybe we can find out then. In the meantime I see TONS of racism and it is propagated by those who assume that a half white guy must have been racist and there is no other reason he shot the kid. The racists here are those jumping to anti-white conclusions despite knowing damn near nothing about what happened.
 

micrometers

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If they feel the information that has come out about him is inaccurate why don't they release current photos and school records that disprove it? The fact that they have not done so makes it all the more believable.

all of the new "revelations" are utterly meaningless to the case in front.

So he wrote something on school property and experimented with weed. So what? There is nothing violent in his record.
 

sandorski

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If they feel the information that has come out about him is inaccurate why don't they release current photos and school records that disprove it? The fact that they have not done so makes it all the more believable.

Why should they respond to such smears? These allegations have no bearing on the matters at hand.
 

soundforbjt

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Did you hear that Fox News took their "hoodie" they offered for sale off their website. They obviously don't want any of their viewers to be a target for guys like Zimmerman.
 

alkemyst

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all of the new "revelations" are utterly meaningless to the case in front.

So he wrote something on school property and experimented with weed. So what? There is nothing violent in his record.

This is just what was leaked, the parents are claiming they don't know about his other suspensions.

The problem is a minor's records, esp school records are not disclosable.

Also they cannot make a minor 'snitch' on another minor. So when Martin was caught with stolen jewelry he was able to simply claim: "It wasn't me"

It's sad we allow this to protect the children. His facebook had evidence he had assaulted a bus driver in the past if you bothered keeping current with the evidence.
 

micrometers

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assholes believe some retard website that claims Trayvon stole the skittles.

but are suddenly skeptical about ABC news.

ccmon.
 

Fern

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I had the same impression as Wolfe, that in the girlfriend's version Zimmerman approached Martin and (she thought) shoved him. (Could also have been Martin clicking the phone off knowing there's an impending fight.) That's a conflict, although admittedly I've only seen people talking about her testimony; I have not seen a transcript.

She said she thought she heard the sound of "pushing" immediately before the phone went dead.

She seemed to think that someone pushed TM knocking off his headphone/earbuds (whatever) thus terminating the call.

I don't think that any sound she heard can be definitively identified as "pushing". Pushing may certainly fit the bill, but there are actions that could also. I.e., it's just her interpretation as she didn't actually see anything. Nor IMO even if it was a push could know who did the pushing merely from a sound.

Also, I thought there was a woman widely derided as an attention whore who claimed that Zimmerman just shot Martin - a Coulter or Culker or something?

Her name is Crutcher.

I gave up on her long ago. In one of her earlier statements to the media she said her blinds were down, she heard crying and only went outside after the gunshot.

Since then has developed a great deal of certitude about things she obviously can't know. E.g., who was crying out. She claims to be absolutely certain it was TM even though she didn't see him until he was killed. She, like the rest have never even heard TM's voice.

The TV has played Z's call a number of times. His voice is quite high and he sounds young to me. I have also heard the 911 tapes and heard the cries for help. To me, it sounds like it could be Z so I can't rule him out as the one crying out. But I haven't heard TM's voice so can't rule him in or out.

Fern
 

alkemyst

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If they feel the information that has come out about him is inaccurate why don't they release current photos and school records that disprove it? The fact that they have not done so makes it all the more believable.

The parents are trying to get the current pictures removed. They do not feel his past 'record' is relevant to the case as it's 'already' been proven Zimmerman has a past FULL of violence.
 

Puddle Jumper

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all of the new "revelations" are utterly meaningless to the case in front.

So he wrote something on school property and experimented with weed. So what? There is nothing violent in his record.

If it is so meaningless why have they gone out of their way to present Martin as a 12 year old rather than a full grown 17 year old with a history of drug use and vandalism.

If the reference to him hitting a bus driver is accurate he could have a history of violence. Since he was a minor we will probably never see any criminal record if he had one.
 

micrometers

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She said she thought she heard the sound of "pushing" immediately before the phone went dead.

She seemed to think that someone pushed TM knocking off his headphone/earbuds (whatever) thus terminating the call.

I don't think that any sound she heard can be definitively identified as "pushing". Pushing may certainly fit the bill, but there are actions that could also. I.e., it's just her interpretation as she didn't actually see anything. Nor IMO even if it was a push could know who did the pushing merely from a sound.



Her name is Crutcher.

I gave up on her long ago. In one of her earlier statements to the media she said her blinds were down, she heard crying and only went outside after the gunshot.

Since then has developed a great deal of certitude about things she obviously can't know. E.g., who was crying out. She claims to be absolutely certain it was TM even though she didn't see him until he was killed. She, like the rest have never even heard TM's voice.

The TV has played Z's call a number of times. His voice is quite high and he sounds young to me. I have also heard the 911 tapes and heard the cries for help. To me, it sounds like it could be Z so I can't rule him out as the one crying out. But I haven't heard TM's voice so can't rule him in or out.

Fern

She has her flaws.

But what is important is that she didn't hear "punching"

That is consistent with them struggling over the gun.
 
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you and those like you.



Ah ok I see, "they" are the people trying to get to the truth of the matter, set emotion aside, and get to the FACTS of what is going on rather than just blindly listening to the news like a puppet and then screaming while running in circles with fingers in ears. Makes sense I guess.
 

micrometers

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If it is so meaningless why have they gone out of their way to present Martin as a 12 year old rather than a full grown 17 year old with a history of drug use and vandalism.

If the reference to him hitting a bus driver is accurate he could have a history of violence. Since he was a minor we will probably never see any criminal record if he had one.

They needed to get attention. THey wanted to present their dead son in the best light possible. Fundamentally, it is incredibly unjust that Zimmerman isn't even sent to trial for this shooting.
 

micrometers

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Ah ok I see, "they" are the people trying to get to the truth of the matter, set emotion aside, and get to the FACTS of what is going on rather than just blindly listening to the news like a puppet and then screaming while running in circles with fingers in ears. Makes sense I guess.

if you look at my post history, I"ve gotten to the facts.

But I'm not going to harp on rumors from sketchy sources like you.
 

HumblePie

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The parents are trying to get the current pictures removed. They do not feel his past 'record' is relevant to the case as it's 'already' been proven Zimmerman has a past FULL of violence.

LOL wut?

Zimmerman has a past full of violence? How so? Making 911 calls in a neighborhood recently hit by large amounts of crime in an attempt to clean said neighborhood up as full of violence?

I know his parents feel as if the latest released info about their son is somehow character assassination, but it isn't. His history and past reactions to various scenarios are relevant in determining his possible actions given a situation where there is a lack of evidence concerning what may have occurred during key moments of the incident.
 
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If it is so meaningless why have they gone out of their way to present Martin as a 12 year old rather than a full grown 17 year old with a history of drug use and vandalism.

If the reference to him hitting a bus driver is accurate he could have a history of violence. Since he was a minor we will probably never see any criminal record if he had one.



So much of this.

Like many, I was pretty upset at zimmerman over the first few days. However it has become abundantly clear that information about trayvon is HEAVILY and carefully filtered, and threats of lawsuits are thrown at anyone trying to determine who he was rather than trusting the pictures of a 12 year old child.
 

HumblePie

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She has her flaws.

But what is important is that she didn't hear "punching"

That is consistent with them struggling over the gun.

ehh? punching isn't that loud of a sound. I know how that sounds like and how far away you can usually hear it. This isn't a hollywood movie were punching sounds are enhanced with the use of props like a 2x4 hitting a frozen turkey.
 

alkemyst

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LOL wut?

Zimmerman has a past full of violence? How so? Making 911 calls in a neighborhood recently hit by large amounts of crime in an attempt to clean said neighborhood up as full of violence?

I know his parents feel as if the latest released info about their son is somehow character assassination, but it isn't. His history and past reactions to various scenarios are relevant in determining his possible actions given a situation where there is a lack of evidence concerning what may have occurred during key moments of the incident.

I am not in agreement, just repeating the story. They are going to capitol hill to petition soon (if it wasn't actually today).

The parent's feel the 12 year old representation of Martin is the most accurate and anything else is just to ruin his reputation. They feel this is case closed simply because Zimmerman was arrested in the past.
 

corwin

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/2...n-after-death/

you guys are disgraceful
So you're saying factual reporting of things his son did is "disrespecting" him and "disgraceful"? Shouldn't it have been his son doing those things that's disrespectful and disgraceful?