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Reasonable Doubt

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But wait, I thought Zimmerman was training furiously in MMA. At least 3 times a week! Martin would stand no chance unless he was a superior fighter. You are so full of contradictions, it is comical. Criticize people for making inferences from the evidence, while making absurd leaps to reach your conclusions. Say that Martin was being attacked by a person who trained in MMA 3 times a week, yet that same, well-trained MMA fighter, who, according to you, started the fight, was unable to even slightly injure the other person. I guess the only fair conclusion is that you're being willfully ignorant and this will be my last response to you.


George's doctor testified that George said he trained in MMA 3 times a week and yes Trayvon still apparently whipped him.
A "creepy" stranger stalking you and putting his hands on you in the dark will cause adrenaline to flow. Hence George getting his ass whipped that night.

But like I said I doubt George even put up much of a fight knowing that he was armed. Probably was reaching for his gun the whole time.
 

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Not true. There were many witnesses, some that observed Zimmerman and Martin after Pinniocchio hung up the phone to fix her hair. John, for example. Why are you discounting his testimony?

I should have said she was the ONLY living witness to the events that led up to what John Goode called a "tussle" other than Zimmerman.


Ever consider it was a dog of a case?

There was evidence for both sides presented. The jurors only believed Zimmermans account.

It may have been a racial thing though.
 

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All of the evidence supports that Zimmerman was not the aggressor.


4. Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon caused Zimmerman to lose track of him.

I don't think she ever testified that.


She also said he made it "by his daddy's house."

By his daddy house could have meant anywhere. That's not an exact location.

He's safe at this point, so why does he go out and confront Zimmerman? ?

What do you mean?

Zimmerman was the one following Trayvon. Trayvon was going home to watch the allstar game. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and Trayvon ran from Zimmerman.

We know Trayvon confronts Zimmerman that 2nd and fatal time because Zimmerman didn't know where Trayvon was

Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow Trayvon and ended up finding him.

but Trayvon still knew where Zimmerman was, according to Jeantel.

I didn't hear Jeantel say that.

But anyways by confront you mean when Trayvon asked Zimmerman why was he following him?


Why else would he go confront him other than to fight him?

I don't think Trayvon looked for Zimmerman. Zimmerman was looking for Trayvon. But anyways when they did get within talking distance Trayvon asked Zimmerman why was he following him. Zimmerman said what are you doing around here. Then Trayvon yelled get off get off!
This is according to the ONLY living ear witness to it other than Zimmerman.
 

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Zimmerman was the one following Trayvon. Trayvon was going home to watch the allstar game. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and Trayvon ran from Zimmerman.
or did trayvon ran from Zimmerman cuz he thought Zimmerman was a cop ... ran in the bushes and unloaded there weed and a burglar tool ( that if I am not mistaken now, was found there later on .. but could not be tied to dead trayvon, of course ... -- but it would not be the first time young trey-trey had on him some weed and burglar tool, woud it now? ;) ) ...

Then he came out of bushes .. and after seeing GZ was NOT a cop, and smaller than himself .. figured to give this white cracka a good beating .. for disrespectin' )))

Something like that ... But i don't know ... I wasn't there..

Jury has spoken however...... Learn to live with it.... -- you did after OJ verdict, after all, didn't you? :)
 
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I almost replied to RD. Everybody, I implore you to stop bashing your head against a concrete wall and refrain as well. haha
 

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One thing the RD's of the world don't consider is that if they were ever a defendant that they wouldn't want the benefit of reasonable doubt being taken away like they are trying to do to Zimmerman.
 

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One thing the RD's of the world don't consider is that if they were ever a defendant that they wouldn't want the benefit of reasonable doubt being taken away like they are trying to do to Zimmerman.


Where is the reasonable doubt? George Zimmerman obviously stalked and killed a kid that was just trying to get home!

Rachel Jeantel's testimony is key to this case if you ask me. It was ignored by the jurors and is being ignored by many in this thread.

Again:

What Racheal Jeantel testified to under oath was:

Trayvon Martin: "What are you following me for?"

George Zimmerman: "What are you doing around here?"

Trayvon Martin: "Get off! Get off!"


Do I need to say more? Trayvon was obviously fighting for his life against a "creepy" stranger that profiled him and stalked him all the way home.
 

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So why are you talking like you were? Totally trolling and making things up.


Plus George outweighed Trayvon. I forgot by how much though.
Weight means jack ...

especially if one is overweight / obese .....

as they say, after all, it's not the size .. it's what you can do with it .... ;)
 

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Weight means jack ...

especially if one is overweight / obese .....

as they say, after all, it's not the size .. it's what you can do with it .... ;)


George was not overweight nor obese on the night he murdered Trayvon.

Supposedly he lost a lot of weight training MMA 3 times a week.
 

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Ya .... that is about it ... he lost some weight ...

But was a chitty chitty fighter ..

.. you heard the MMA studio teacher testify, didn't you...

When George joined the studio he was about 0.5 (on the scale from 1 to 10).

and later on he improved to 1, according to the teach's testimony ..

... can't compare with experienced fighter / thug wanna be young trey-trey, however ... who, instead of going home, took upon himself that night to teach that whitey a lesson fer disrespectin'
 

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Ya .... that is about it ... he lost some weight ...

But was a chitty chitty fighter ..

.. you heard the MMA studio teacher testify, didn't you...

When George joined the studio he was about 0.5 (on the scale from 1 to 10).

and later on he improved to 1, according to the teach's testimony ..

Biased testimony if you ask me. No way in hell he was a 1 after training MMA 3 times a week. Maybe compared to pros but still everyone can throw a punch.

... can't compare with experienced fighter / thug wanna be young trey-trey, however ... who, instead of going home, took upon himself that night to teach that whitey a lesson fer disrespectin'


Where the hell you think he was headed when George finally caught up to him after leaving his truck. But whatever. Tough "whitey" is in hiding right now "fer disrespectin". And will be for the rest of his life. Scared shitless!
 

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Biased testimony if you ask me. No way in hell he was a 1 after training MMA 3 times a week. Maybe compared to pros but still everyone can throw a punch.

You realize he wasn't actually hitting any person, or getting hit back, right? He never was allowed to spar, or step foot in a ring. Do you think all those women who take kickboxing classes ("training") to lose weight, or stay in shape suddenly become elite fighters because of that training?

Trayvon, however, from his own texts, was getting into actual fights, punching others, getting punched, learning how you're helpless on the bottom, etc. "Train" MMA all you want, but if you don't actually engage someone else, the guy who actually has fighting experience is going to kick your ass.
 
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Biased testimony if you ask me. No way in hell he was a 1 after training MMA 3 times a week. Maybe compared to pros but still everyone can throw a punch.




Where the hell you think he was headed when George finally caught up to him after leaving his truck. But whatever. Tough "whitey" is in hiding right now "fer disrespectin". And will be for the rest of his life. Scared shitless!
Not if he makes some GOOD money (book(s), sue NBC .. etc ... )

and then pack up his chit, take his wifey ... and bye-bye America .. - to Canada, for example, we go .. or to Peru ... (his mom's mother-land) .. or to any other country where someone like him can live comfortably (with some money) and feel quite safe .....

Are we done yet ? ... LOL .. cuz, BOTTOM LINE is ... the JURY has spoken ... ;)
 
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You realize he wasn't actually hitting any person, or getting hit back, right? He never was allowed to spar, or step foot in a ring. Do you think all those women who take kickboxing classes ("training") to lose weight, or stay in shape suddenly become elite fighters because of that training?

Don't they learn how to hit using punching bags and such? You don't need to spar to learn how to punch. Instruction on a bag could be enough.


Trayvon, however, from his own texts, was getting into actual fights, punching others, getting punched, learning how you're helpless on the bottom, etc. "Train" MMA all you want, but if you don't actually engage someone else, the guy who actually has fighting experience is going to kick your ass.

You never had a fight?

Plus who knows if really had any fights or was just grandstanding. He just turned 17 do you really think he had any meaningful fights if he had any at all?
 

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Not if he makes some GOOD money (book(s), sue NBC .. etc ... )

Who is gonna buy his book? You?

and then pack up his chit, take his wifey ... and bye-bye America .. - to Canada, for example, we go .. or to Peru ... (his mom's mother-land) .. or to any other country where someone like him can live comfortably (with some money) and feel quite safe .....

Canada is too close. But he is not safe anywhere if you ask me.
U.S. Passports are good worldwide! He's basically fucked if someone really wants him. Plus looking over your shoulder everywhere everyday is not living. He would have been better off just getting immediately arrested then almost no one outside of Sanford would have even heard about this case. But white privilege got in the way. Then Black people got pissed about it and the rest is history.

Are we done yet ? ... LOL .. cuz, BOTTOM LINE is ... the JURY has spoken ... ;)

Jury spoke but it ain't over for him is it?;)