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A kid who viciously attacks somebody is NOT innocent. Don't forget that.
based on Zimmerman's suspicions, I believe Zimmerman was far more aggressive than he is putting forth.
A kid who viciously attacks somebody is NOT innocent. Don't forget that.
Lotus,
If the event played out according the Zimmerman's account of the incident, the only "avoidable" action that could have been done was in the hands of TM. Which was not to approach GZ, or attack him. The more articles I read, and evidence I've seen leads credence to that GZ did in fact stop pursuit at the request of the 911 dispatcher. Still that is based on what has been leaked to the media.
You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. You don't know how the fight started. For all we know, Zimmerman waved his gun in the kid's face and dared him to punch him.
The problem is that you're completely certain when Zimmerman has no proof as to the start of the fight. None whatsoever.
That is enough for a trial I believe.
A grown man who attacks a kid isn't innocent either. Wonder how quickly he got that assault charge cleared, guess its good thing daddy was there to make it go away.
The law is what is standing in the way of an arrest in this highly questionable case. You only have Zimmerman's word on what happened, but obviously he has ample incentive to lie.
Not just to prevent mob violence, but it is a legitimate concern, and the crowds do have a legitimate case. To not have a trial after a killing like this is just wrong.
The physical evidence and witness testimony seems to back him up...unless you want to just ignore that tooYou're not interested in justice.
Frankly, you're automatically believing what this guy says even though he has no proof and has all the incentive in the world to lie
No he was in no danger until T came up behind him and started throwing punches...at least that's the facts as we know them now.
Evidence of your claim? So far there is zero evidence of a crime committed by zimmerman, and many sources of evidence of a crime committed by Martin.
Let's stick to the facts and evidence, ok?
we will see if the witness testimony stuff does back him or not.
I am guessing that if it didnt he would be in jail already
I have no problem with a law allowing someone who is receiving a vicious life threatening beat down to use a gun in self defense, especially when it is over 'following them' through the gated communtiy
if he didnt break the law then there isnt a trial. thats how its supposed to work.
this case is highlighting alot of issues, the communitys response and the media coverage are the big ones, the law isnt.
if I see someone on my street walking around at night I dont recongize and say something to them, I dont think its OK for them to beat the shit out of me. its their right to ignore me, and I will just call the cops. If im on my property and its late at night, I'll probably be carrying. that doesnt mean I went out there looking to shoot them
Sidenote, I loathe having to side in any argument with Spidey07. Damnit though, it's happened a few too many times lately. When did spidey07 start actually being right about topics lately?
Well the end of the world is coming right, had to happen at least once before then...Sidenote, I loathe having to side in any argument with Spidey07. Damnit though, it's happened a few too many times lately. When did spidey07 start actually being right about topics lately?
He had voiced suspicions, there was no danger until it was brought upon him...and following someone is not illegal or morally wrong in any way.He had labeled martin as on drugs, acting odd and having something in his wasteband. thats a threat by defintion.
Well the end of the world is coming right, had to happen at least once before then...
He had voiced suspicions, there was no danger until it was brought upon him...and following someone is not illegal or morally wrong in any way.
based on Zimmerman's suspicions, I believe Zimmerman was far more aggressive than he is putting forth.
Man you have said the EXACT same things over and over and over since the beginning of this thread. Just because you say them a lot doesn't make them true, and all you post are your own "suspicions" with absolutely no facts whatsoever to back them up.
Man you have said the EXACT same things over and over and over since the beginning of this thread. Just because you say them a lot doesn't make them true, and all you post are your own "suspicions" with absolutely no facts whatsoever to back them up.
Well the end of the world is coming right, had to happen at least once before then...
He had voiced suspicions, there was no danger until it was brought upon him...and following someone is not illegal or morally wrong in any way.
You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. You don't know how the fight started. For all we know, Zimmerman waved his gun in the kid's face and dared him to punch him.
The problem is that you're completely certain when Zimmerman has no proof as to the start of the fight. None whatsoever.
That is enough for a trial I believe.
Zimmerman's own words backs up his words.
Man you have said the EXACT same things over and over and over since the beginning of this thread. Just because you say them a lot doesn't make them true, and all you post are your own "suspicions" with absolutely no facts whatsoever to back them up.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3Ie0nhfZ8n
One guy wanted to bring him up on manslaughter.
man this thread is getting bad now. You guys are seriously painting Martin as a thug when he has zero violence on his record? It's all about being for the guy with the gun...
We don't KNOW that. The girl friend's testimony (to the degree it has been factually reported) refutes this story directly, and she certainly has less reason to lie than does Zimmerman.
We know the paramedics treated him and that he did not seek medical care that night. We don't know WHY - maybe he was too shook up, maybe it was fear of the costs - but we don't know that his injuries are as extensive as they are being reported. We DO know Zimmerman was taken into custody, at which point had his injuries been judged serious he would have been taken for care regardless of insurance because while he's in custody he's the police department's responsibility. That does not suggest to me a broken nose and a head repeatedly slammed into a concrete sidewalk, but we don't KNOW.
As for Zimmerman being attacked, we don't know that either. We know what it's been reported he said, but again, we supposedly have conflicting testimony.
We don't yet know conclusively that Martin was still attacking Zimmerman at the time he was shot. I don't find that too difficult to believe; it's a lot easier to hold a pistol by its handle than to take it away. The police probably have an opinion by now, due to the severity, location, and spread of the powder burns, but even here we may well have dueling expert witnesses if this goes to trial.
Threat
an indication or warning of probable trouble.
By Zimmernas 911 calls he thought Martin was a threat.
