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Londo_Jowo

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Again:

What Racheal Jeantel testified to was:

Trayvon Martin: "What are you following me for?"

George Zimmerman: "What are you doing around here?"

Trayvon Martin: "Get off! Get off!"


That was her testimony during the trial under oath.


That "get off get off" obviously mean there was some kind of contact initiated by George Zimmerman. Use common sense!

She is the only person beside Zimmerman who heard how it started. And I don't trust George Zimmerman because a man fighting for his freedom will say anything to remain free.

She added the "get off, get off" during her second interview with BLDR. She never mentioned it during her interview with Crump. Most people began to say her first statements to Crump actually helped GZ, funny how the "get off, get off" was added after the fact.

She later said in an interview that she believes that TM threw the first punch.

So what is it????
 

Reasonable Doubt

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A blogger, leesuzan posted this a couple of hours ago on Gretawire:

This has nothing to do with the Trayvon case.

I did hear about this on the news.

Didn't they find and arrest the perpetrators of that crime.

Zimmerman wasn't even arrested until 6 weeks after he murdered Trayvon. And only because of pressure from the people.

There no "white Al Sharpton" or "white Panthers" or "bounties" because the "justice system" works for white people in America.

Traditionally it has NOT worked for people of color!
 

Reasonable Doubt

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She added the "get off, get off" during her second interview with BLDR. She never mentioned it during her interview with Crump. Most people began to say her first statements to Crump actually helped GZ, funny how the "get off, get off" was added after the fact.

She later said in an interview that she believes that TM threw the first punch.

So what is it????

She didn't explain everything to Crump because she didn't even want to be part of the situation. She wasn't under oath and she said Crump wasn't law enforcement. When later asked for the WHOLE story of what she heard she explained the WHOLE story especially in court under oath. She told the truth about everything even if it made her look bad.


She said she believes Trayvon threw the first punch AFTER BEING GRABBED BY ZIMMERMAN!!!!!
 

Londo_Jowo

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She didn't explain everything to Crump because she didn't even want to be part of the situation. She wasn't under oath and she said Crump wasn't law enforcement. When later asked for the WHOLE story of what she heard she explained the WHOLE story especially in court under oath. She told the truth about everything even if it made her look bad.


She said she believes Trayvon threw the first punch AFTER BEING GRABBED BY ZIMMERMAN!!!!!

Yet you can't prove this to be a fact. This is why the prosecution did not try to have use of force by an aggressor added to the jury instructions.

Though John Goode placed TM on top and throwing punches just prior to the shot. Per Florida law GZ was justified in using force up to and including deadly force to protect himself. Based on this evidence/testimony the jury found him innocent per Florida law.

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buckshot24

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Bullshit! That means that Trayvon was defending himself and not the other way around like the jurors opined.
No it doesn't. Grabbing somebody doesn't justify jumping on top of them while pounding ones head into the concrete.

There is no evidence of any injury on Martin besides the gunshot wound and his knuckles from pounding zim. There is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that Martin was attacked. You should start dealing with the facts instead of fantasy land.
 

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Yeah, Trayvon was yelling get off get off because he was on top of Zimmerman, makes a lot of sense... :colbert:
 

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You guys are really going to re-try the Zimmerman trial with some guy who thinks OJ was innocent, and makes up his facts on the fly? Everyone knows this case only went to trial because of the racist idiots; if poor 'lil Trayvon was white or Hispanic no one would give a crap, and Zimmerman would have got a medal for his good shooting.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Yet you can't prove this to be a fact.

Common sense. "Get off" means someone put their hands on you.


This is why the prosecution did not try to have use of force by an aggressor added to the jury instructions.

Prosecution sucked.



Though John Goode placed TM on top and throwing punches just prior to the shot.



John Goode said he never saw actual punches. Plus he saw the end part. What about the beginning and middle parts.
Did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" guy.


Per Florida law GZ was justified in using force up to and including deadly force to protect himself. Based on this evidence/testimony the jury found him innocent per Florida law.

I'll have to research Florida law to see if an aggressor can later legally claim self defense.
But like I said did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" Zimmerman.
 

buckshot24

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Common sense. "Get off" means someone put their hands on you.
Common sense. Jeantel admitted lying before, why is she telling the truth here?
Prosecution sucked.
I beg to differ, they did the best with what they had. The charges should have never been filed.
John Goode said he never saw actual punches. Plus he saw the end part. What about the beginning and middle parts.
Did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" guy.
No evidence of grabbing only an inference made from a statement by an admitted liar.
I'll have to research Florida law to see if an aggressor can later legally claim self defense.
But like I said did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" Zimmerman.
The only evidence that Zimmerman did any such thing was from testimony by a liar. The jury didn't find her credible.

Why don't you ask OJ how the search for the real killers is going?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Common sense. "Get off" means someone put their hands on you.

Prosecution sucked.

John Goode said he never saw actual punches. Plus he saw the end part. What about the beginning and middle parts.
Did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" guy.

I'll have to research Florida law to see if an aggressor can later legally claim self defense.
But like I said did Trayvon not have a right to self defense after being stalked and grabbed by a "creepy" Zimmerman.

You sound exactly like the prosecution....all you have is a story based on speculation, conjecture, and innuendo without a shred of evidence to back it up.

I save you the trouble of having to look up the Florida statute for force by an aggressor. Though based on the evidence this would not apply to TM as he was in the commission of a forcible felony.

[SIZE=-1]776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

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Reasonable Doubt

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No it doesn't. Grabbing somebody doesn't justify jumping on top of them while pounding ones head into the concrete.

Stalking then putting your hands on another person causing a tussle will cause a person to fight for their lives. John Goode called it a tussle. A tussle mean both are trying to gain the advantage. Just so happens Trayvon got the best of Zimmerman as he should have been trying to do against a creepy stranger that was stalking him.


There is no evidence of any injury on Martin besides the gunshot wound and his knuckles from pounding zim. There is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that Martin was attacked. You should start dealing with the facts instead of fantasy land.


Defies logic that Zimmerman got out of his truck and didn't confront Trayvon. Which he did as evidenced by Rachel Jeantel's testimony.
 

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Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares

Posted on July 18, 2013 by Tim McNabb

Huh. Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops. So, we largely have an inverse image of the incident in which Trayvon Martin perished, complete with the kinfolk weeping thusly . . .

Read more: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/


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buckshot24

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Stalking then putting your hands on another person causing a tussle will cause a person to fight for their lives. John Goode called it a tussle. A tussle mean both are trying to gain the advantage. Just so happens Trayvon got the best of Zimmerman as he should have been trying to do against a creepy stranger that was stalking him.





Defies logic that Zimmerman got out of his truck and didn't confront Trayvon. Which he did as evidenced by Rachel Jeantel's testimony.
Ok, go fuck yourself moron. I'm done with you.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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You guys are really going to re-try the Zimmerman trial with some guy who thinks OJ was innocent, and makes up his facts on the fly? Everyone knows this case only went to trial because of the racist idiots; if poor 'lil Trayvon was white or Hispanic no one would give a crap, and Zimmerman would have got a medal for his good shooting.


I never said O.J. was innocent. Don't really care one way or another.

This case went to trial because Zimmerman stalked and killed a unarmed kid that was just trying to get home.
 

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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013

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by WeeBonnie Today at 4:38 pm
sitemama wrote:
auman58 wrote: Obama: Trayvon Martin ‘could have been me 35 years ago’

http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html
And all I can say is, 'too bad it wasn't'!
Are you hoping our president gets shot- or that he was shot when he was a teenager?
Please, Sitemama- continue and enlighten us.

Sounds a bit like treason to me, but I'm sure you have a good explanation!

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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
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by sitemama Today at 6:23 pm
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You may be right, I AM SICK WITH HATE AND FEAR. I hate that he was ever elected as President of our USA, and I fear for the status of our country with 3 more years of him, making all his 'CHANGES' which for the most part have been change for the worse.

I did not vote for him, not because of his color not his political affliation, but because he is not an American Citizen, was not born in USA, not even in Hawaii. His birth certificates that he has produced are not true or real. And he has made too many derogatory remarks about the USA, bowing to leaders of foreign countries like Iraq and Afghanistan when we all know they are muslim and have tried on several occasions to kill many Americans. He shows no respect to this country, nor its flag or the National Anthem. He needs to be impeached for many reasons.

He is injecting himself in this GZ/TM fiasco because he was elected by blacks, who had never voted before in their lives, and only voted for him because of his color. Does that not make him racist? He wants to give American citizenship to all the illegal foreigners and that is very wrong. What about all those who got their citizenship the legal and correct way? That is a slap in their face.

OK, that is my reason and I really don't care if any of you agree with me. I am not saying GZ shot TM because he was black. He was trying to be 'Big Man to his community' and would have shot a white kid if he had been walking through the area with a hood on his head. Oh yell, we would not have heard anything from the prez if that had happened. What about all the blacks killing blacks, we never hear him take a stand there either. He has to do whatever Sharpton and Jackson tells him to do, and they are definitely racist.

One more thought, why haven't we hear anything from the Great Black One about the black teens who shot a white baby in GA, just because his mom did not have any money to give to them when they attempted to rob her. Was that not a racist crime, or just the ordinary actions of blacks?
LOL ... You tell 'em mama, you tell 'em :biggrin:

I see "friends" are beginning to bicker a bit over at Reality Chatter ... give 'em a bit more time, and maybe they will bicker as cats and dogs pretty soon ... :)

Read more: http://realitychatter.forumotions.n...hooting-of-trayvon-martin-june-10-2013#222888
 

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Common sense. Jeantel admitted lying before, why is she telling the truth here?

I beg to differ, they did the best with what they had. The charges should have never been filed.

No evidence of grabbing only an inference made from a statement by an admitted liar.

The only evidence that Zimmerman did any such thing was from testimony by a liar. The jury didn't find her credible.

Why don't you ask OJ how the search for the real killers is going?


Have you ever lied before?

She got on the stand and answered everything under oath honestly.




I beg to differ, they did the best with what they had. The charges should have never been filed.

Legal analysts even said that the prosecution made many mistakes in this trial.


No evidence of grabbing only an inference made from a statement by an admitted liar.

The only evidence that Zimmerman did any such thing was from testimony by a liar. The jury didn't find her credible.

One juror said she didn't find Rachel credible and that was probably a race thing. An alternate white male juror said he did find her credible.



Why don't you ask OJ how the search for the real killers is going?

Really???
 

Londo_Jowo

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Have you ever lied before?

She got on the stand and answered everything under oath honestly.

Legal analysts even said that the prosecution made many mistakes in this trial.

One juror said she didn't find Rachel credible and that was probably a race thing. An alternate white male juror said he did find her credible.

Really???

It might help if you have some actual evidence to back up your story otherwise all you're doing is trying to sell the same BS the prosecution tried so hard to sell which the jury rejected when they found GZ "Not Guilty".
 

Ichinisan

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Being unfairly harassed by adults is hardly unique to young African-American males.

I was just about as harmless as any kid that ever lived, and I still occasionally had adults assume I was up to no good. I didn't attack them though. I stood there and let them bitch me out for no reason, because I was raised to give a certain amount of reverence to adults (even if they didn't deserve it).

It had nothing to do with my race. It was my age that they didn't like.

I find it hard to believe anyone went through their youth without having the same experience from time to time.
Oh yes… Many many times.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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You sound exactly like the prosecution....all you have is a story based on speculation, conjecture, and innuendo without a shred of evidence to back it up.

There's no evidence to show that what I wrote is not how it happened. I heard the defense say many times to a witness that they could use common sense. Using that common sense "get off get off" means someone grabbed Trayvon. Since Zimmerman was the only one there common sense says it was Zimmerman.


I save you the trouble of having to look up the Florida statute for force by an aggressor. Though based on the evidence this would not apply to TM as he was in the commission of a forcible felony.

How was Trayvon committing a forcible felony when he was defending himself from a creepy stranger that put his hands on him. That's called self defense.



(2) George initially provokes the use of force against himself

for a) It was testified by the medical examiner that they were NOT life threatening injuries. All George needed was a couple of band aids.

for b)John Goode said that they were "tussling". So George obviously wasn't just laying there surrendering. George was trying to get the best of Trayvon too.