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Reasonable Doubt

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Fair enough, although this is the age of the personal video camera as well as small, concealable security cameras, so the risk of being filmed was not insignificant. But setting that aside, the wounds and the eyewitness testimony are still consistent with Zimmerman's account.

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman is necessarily telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I'm just saying that believing a story with supporting eyewitness testimony and physical evidence is at least as sensible as is believing a story based solely on inference and one one perjurer's ever-changing narrative.


No one saw the beginning of the confrontation only the end. Just because Trayvon got the best of George Zimmerman in the end there is no telling who was winning in the beginning or middle parts of what that witness called a tussle.

Zimmermans injuries are consistent with him getting his ass whipped but all those injuries could have happened in the end of the tussle after Trayvon was initially attacked and fighting for his life from a guy he saw as "creepy". No one knows for sure but Zimmerman should have left the kid alone. Zimmerman profiled and engaged as if he was a cop. But he didn't have any training nor authority to play cop. That's the bottom line!
 

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It amazes me to no end the amount of fact twisting and "what if" contortions some TM supporters/GZ haters will go through to try to make Zimmerman look like a bad guy (when all accounts are that he was a completely and utterly decent person) and make Martin look like a saint (when all accounts are that he was a delinquent thug/gangsta wannabe with all kinds of character flaws). To those people: What the fuck is wrong your perception of reality? Get a grip.

For some of them it's about supporting a fellow black person no matter what, because of past injustices and disparities, both real, imagined and exaggerated. It's pure emotion. The same thing that led to people cheering a brutal double murderer getting away with it, despite the evidence proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (OJ.)

For others, it's about proving that they aren't racist, and they are sympathetic toward black people. They're fully aware of their "white privilege" and feel awful about it. The least they can do is stand side by side, arm in arm, with the African American community and fight the "good fight" against racism, systemic injustice, etc.

For people in both groups a lot of it, I believe, ties in with having missed out on the actual civil rights battles of the 20th century. They're progressive and they admire the people marching in the 50's and 60's, in particular.

It reminds me of a Knight who is born just after the era of the last real dragons being slain (I know there weren't actually dragons, just humor me here...) and all that are left as he's reaching manhood are a few sad little runts... but he's so desperate for the glory of his forefathers, he's running around embarrassing himself swinging a mighty sword at a helpless dragon runt.

Then when those run out he starts killing regular lizards, and dressing up horses as dragons before beheading them.

The real, "great white racists" of the past just aren't really around anymore. We live in an era now when white people elected a black president, and have opened their borders in every traditionally white country... and have implemented affirmative action to systematically disadvantage themselves to the benefit of others.

But damn it, they want a dragon head for the mantle piece and they'll make do with regular conservatives or well-intentioned, non-racist people who simply have an honest disagreement with them on this case.

What really throws them for a mental loop is something like that Charles Barkley video I posted. They don't know how to process a black person agreeing with this verdict. The black progs have the ability to dismiss them as "Uncle Tom" but the white progs are defenseless... paralyzed by their own pathological inability to see fault in, or disagree with any black person.
 

corwin

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No one saw the beginning of the confrontation only the end. Just because Trayvon got the best of George Zimmerman in the end there is no telling who was winning in the beginning or middle parts of what that witness called a tussle.

Zimmermans injuries are consistent with him getting his ass whipped but all those injuries could have happened in the end of the tussle after Trayvon was initially attacked and fighting for his life from a guy he saw as "creepy". No one knows for sure but Zimmerman should have left the kid alone. Zimmerman profiled and engaged as if he was a cop. But he didn't have any training nor authority to play cop. That's the bottom line!

The bottom line is you're saying "maybe" and "possibly" without a shred of evidence to back it up while a shit ton backs up ours...let go of your petty emotions and let the logic flow through you, a fucking punk thought he could attack a man without repercussions and he got his ass handed to him, just think about that if you ever consider it yourself champ;)
 

Reasonable Doubt

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It amazes me to no end the amount of fact twisting and "what if" contortions some TM supporters/GZ haters will go through to try to make Zimmerman look like a bad guy (when all accounts are that he was a completely and utterly decent person) and make Martin look like a saint (when all accounts are that he was a delinquent thug/gangsta wannabe with all kinds of character flaws). To those people: What the fuck is wrong your perception of reality? Get a grip.

Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?
 

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No one saw the beginning of the confrontation only the end. Just because Trayvon got the best of George Zimmerman in the end there is no telling who was winning in the beginning or middle parts of what that witness called a tussle.

You realize the entire "tussle" was maybe 60-90 seconds, right? And of that tussle someone was screaming for perhaps 45-60 seconds? How much winning does one have to do in order to realize the other person is clearly losing and not putting up a counterattack?

Zimmermans injuries are consistent with him getting his ass whipped but all those injuries could have happened in the end of the tussle after Trayvon was initially attacked and fighting for his life from a guy he saw as "creepy". No one knows for sure but Zimmerman should have left the kid alone. Zimmerman profiled and engaged as if he was a cop. But he didn't have any training nor authority to play cop. That's the bottom line!

Fighting for your life "from a guy he saw was creeper", yeah... creepiness is definitely a threat to one's life. TM apparently had a vivid imagination. We don't know that GZ "engaged" anymore than we know that TM engaged GZ.
 

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Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?

I can't even see how you and corwin are talking about the same case.
 

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Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?
Did you have your head up your ass during the trial?

Please provide a single bit of evidence that Martin needed to defend himself. Please provide a single bit of evidence that wanting to be a cop makes you look for trouble in the hopes that you get to kill some one.
 

corwin

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Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?

"Fought" cops? You know a woman was just given the same charge as he had for kissing a cops nose? No shit einstein;)

TM wasn't defending himself from shit, he assaulted a man that pissed him off for finding him suspicious, and he paid for it wit lh his life, you should learn a lesson and move on...black had jack shit to do with it
 
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Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?
GZ fought cops? lol. He allegedly shoved an officer and more likely put his hands on a cop while the cop was questioning a friend for underage drinking which is automatically considered battery on a law enforcement officer. Yet the knuckleheads have turned that into "GZ fought cops."

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?
TM attacked GM and tried to beat his ass, which was apparent by GZ's injuries and the fact that TM had no injuries indicating that ZM was not putting down any kind of beating against him. I believe it was also shown in the court case that TM returned to confront Zimmerman. TM pursued the confrontation. He thought he would teach a creepy ass cracka a lesson. He learned one instead, the hard way.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Lol, I am, you I'm pretty sure not;)

You want to be a badass and say "shootout", why don't you give it a try champ, somebody like me is likely to put you down too

You want to be a badass and say shooting in so many words.

Firearms make you tough huh? That's why your punk ass identifies with George Zimmerman.

Plus I would not talk like that to Black men off the internet if I was you. Just saying for your own safety.

Zimmerman attacked a kid. If he had attacked a real thug his ass would have got lit up!
 

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Zimmerman was a completely and utterly decent person who fought cops and shit. What about that?

Even if you say Trayvon was a wanna be thug/gangsta he still did nothing wrong the night he was murdered except defend himself from a wanna be cop that was rejected by the police force.

Trying to get home as a Black man is against the law?

TM's mom, is that you?

TM's mom said the very same thing, word for word, at the interview with NBC after the verdict =
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35281029&postcount=68820

With all the evidences/facts/testimonies from many witnesses from the trial, it is sad and scary that you and people like you still clink on the line of "he still did nothing wrong".

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, indeed.
 
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Geosurface

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Not sure where I saw it but I found it really amusing when someone pointed out that George Zimmerman has black slave ancestors, and Barack Obama does not.

ZimmermanGreatGrandfatherrrrr1.jpg
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Did you have your head up your ass during the trial?

Please provide a single bit of evidence that Martin needed to defend himself. Please provide a single bit of evidence that wanting to be a cop makes you look for trouble in the hopes that you get to kill some one.


What Racheal Jeantel testified to was:

Trayvon Martin: "What are you following me for?"

George Zimmerman: "What are you doing around here?"

Trayvon Martin: "Get off! Get off!"


That was her testimony during the trial under oath.


That "get off get off" obviously mean there was some kind of contact initiated by George Zimmerman.

She is the only person beside Zimmerman who heard how it started. And I don't trust George Zimmerman because a man fighting for his freedom will say anything to remain free.
 

corwin

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You want to be a badass and say shooting in so many words.

Firearms make you tough huh? That's why your punk ass identifies with George Zimmerman.

Plus I would not talk like that to Black men off the internet if I was you. Just saying for your own safety.

Zimmerman attacked a kid. If he had attacked a real thug his ass would have got lit up!

Lol...you brought it up dipshit, just like TM did, I'm jist finishing it, like GZ. He aint no hero but he was justfied in his actions, a punk starts a fight and that's how it might end, keep that in mind. Firearms are a tool and nothing more, but your little mind wouldn't understand that.

And talk to a black man like what exactly? Calling TM a punk bitch? He was and I'll say it to anyone, if some racist such as yourself takes offense that's on you...get over it already, he's been dealt with and if you'd care to follow be my guest.

There's zero evidence that GZ attacked anyone, and he's lycky that thug hadn't bought the illegal handgun he was trying to get from daddy
 

corwin

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What Racheal Jeantel testified to was:

Trayvon Martin: "What are you following me for?"

George Zimmerman: "What are you doing around here?"

Trayvon Martin: "Get off! Get off!"


That was her testimony during the trial under oath.


That "get off get off" obviously mean there was some kind of contact initiated by George Zimmerman.

She is the only person beside Zimmerman who heard how it started. And I don't trust George Zimmerman because a man fighting for his freedom will say anything to remain free.
Idiot...a broken record with nothing to add and no evidence to back up your stupidity...pretty little liar didn't witness jack shit, little T-dog could have walked up to him got in his face and said that like a punk ass bitch, like you probably...justice was served that night and once again by a jury last saturday, grow a pair and get over it and learn something for once, it might save your life
 

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GZ fought cops? lol. He allegedly shoved an officer and more likely put his hands on a cop while the cop was questioning a friend for underage drinking which is automatically considered battery on a law enforcement officer. Yet the knuckleheads have turned that into "GZ fought cops."

So the cop was lying?


I believe it was also shown in the court case that TM returned to confront Zimmerman. TM pursued the confrontation.

And you know this because you saw it happen live? Or that's George Zimmerman said? Or maybe because of that cartoon that the defense put together in court? :rolleyes:


TM pursued the confrontation. He thought he would teach a creepy ass cracka a lesson. He learned one instead, the hard way.

Defies logic if someone is running away trying to get home to pick a fight. Trayvon wanted to get home to watch the All-Star game why would he be looking for a fight?
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Lol...you brought it up dipshit, just like TM did, I'm jist finishing it, like GZ. He aint no hero but he was justfied in his actions, a punk starts a fight and that's how it might end, keep that in mind. Firearms are a tool and nothing more, but your little mind wouldn't understand that.

And talk to a black man like what exactly? Calling TM a punk bitch? He was and I'll say it to anyone, if some racist such as yourself takes offense that's on you...get over it already, he's been dealt with and if you'd care to follow be my guest.

There's zero evidence that GZ attacked anyone, and he's lycky that thug hadn't bought the illegal handgun he was trying to get from daddy


A lot of tough talk on the internet. What city do you live in?
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Idiot...a broken record with nothing to add and no evidence to back up your stupidity...pretty little liar didn't witness jack shit, little T-dog could have walked up to him got in his face and said that like a punk ass bitch, like you probably...justice was served that night and once again by a jury last saturday, grow a pair and get over it and learn something for once, it might save your life


You better chill with those bullshit threats.