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Reasonable Doubt

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We have the evidence that Martin did throw punches that made a difference.

Of course!!! The kid was fighting for his life against a unknown stalker.

I doubt Zimmerman even fought back! He probably was reaching for his gun the whole time. Or maybe even pulled it out before the confrontation which is why Trayvon was fighting for his life!
 

TechBoyJK

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Of course!!! The kid was fighting for his life against a unknown stalker.

I doubt Zimmerman even fought back! He probably was reaching for his gun the whole time. Or maybe even pulled it out before the confrontation which is why Trayvon was fighting for his life!

There's zero proof that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon. Seriously, if you want to go find the legal definition, go for it. There was zero stalking, by definition.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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The jury is less likely to believe her because of her negative attitude in the courtroom. If she has a negative attitude in such an important situation, it can suggest that she isn't taking it seriously, which in turn suggests that she may not be telling the truth.


Why would she lie if she didn't want to be there in the first place.

Zimmerman had witnesses that were eager to get on stand and lie their asses off!



The juror who was interviewed on Anderson Cooper said that she did not find Rachel's testimony to be credible. Why do you think that is?

Because she is one of those racists that doesn't even know she is racist.
As you can see by this thread many white people think differently than normal people.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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There's zero proof that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon. Seriously, if you want to go find the legal definition, go for it. There was zero stalking, by definition.


stalking present participle of stalk (Verb)

Verb
  • Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird".
  • Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".
 

TechBoyJK

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stalking present participle of stalk (Verb)

Verb
  • Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird".
  • Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".

LEGAL definition. As according to criminal law.

Hint, it requires a pattern.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/stalking/

A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.

Stalkers target public figures or celebrities, children, and sometimes even complete strangers. But, in most cases, a stalker is someone you know and with whom you have had a relationship. Criminal statutes which can be used in an effort to deter stalking include laws against harassment and assault, as well as a specific stalking law.

If you said 'zimmerman stalked trayvon' in court, you would be corrected.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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Remember too that Zimmerman's reaction on being told that the incident was captured on security camera was "Thank G-d!", not "oh shit!" This is evidence that he is telling the truth, or at least believes himself to be. Again, evidence is not necessarily proof, but it is indicative of the truth.

What else was he supposed to say if he wanted to go home and not be arrested. Of course he was going to lie his way out of it. It called self preservation.

He probably actually knew that it wasn't being recorded and knew where the camera, if any, were located. Obviously there were none there and he knew Trayvon wasn't recording because saw such when the confrontation happened.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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LEGAL definition. As according to criminal law.

Hint, it requires a pattern.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/stalking/


A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.

Stalkers target public figures or celebrities, children, and sometimes even complete strangers. But, in most cases, a stalker is someone you know and with whom you have had a relationship. Criminal statutes which can be used in an effort to deter stalking include laws against harassment and assault, as well as a specific stalking law.


If you said 'zimmerman stalked trayvon' in court, you would be corrected.


Well Zimmerman stalked Black men! Evidenced by his multiple 911 calls!
 

werepossum

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What else was he supposed to say if he wanted to go home and not be arrested. Of course he was going to lie his way out of it. It called self preservation.

He probably actually knew that it wasn't being recorded and knew where the camera, if any, were located. Obviously there were none there and he knew Trayvon wasn't recording because saw such when the confrontation happened.
Fair enough, although this is the age of the personal video camera as well as small, concealable security cameras, so the risk of being filmed was not insignificant. But setting that aside, the wounds and the eyewitness testimony are still consistent with Zimmerman's account.

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman is necessarily telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I'm just saying that believing a story with supporting eyewitness testimony and physical evidence is at least as sensible as is believing a story based solely on inference and one one perjurer's ever-changing narrative.
 

corwin

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What else was he supposed to say if he wanted to go home and not be arrested. Of course he was going to lie his way out of it. It called self preservation.

He probably actually knew that it wasn't being recorded and knew where the camera, if any, were located. Obviously there were none there and he knew Trayvon wasn't recording because saw such when the confrontation happened.

Lol, any other bullshit with no evidence you would care to spew? GZ is nowhere near smart enough to fabricate not only a reasonabke story but all the physical evidence to back it up...you make him sound like a genius, something he clearly isn't, and neither are you
 

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What else was he supposed to say if he wanted to go home and not be arrested. Of course he was going to lie his way out of it. It called self preservation.

He probably actually knew that it wasn't being recorded and knew where the camera, if any, were located. Obviously there were none there and he knew Trayvon wasn't recording because saw such when the confrontation happened.

lol this is some funny shit for a friday night
 
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It amazes me to no end the amount of fact twisting and "what if" contortions some TM supporters/GZ haters will go through to try to make Zimmerman look like a bad guy (when all accounts are that he was a completely and utterly decent person) and make Martin look like a saint (when all accounts are that he was a delinquent thug/gangsta wannabe with all kinds of character flaws). To those people: What the fuck is wrong your perception of reality? Get a grip.
 

corwin

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Fair enough, although this is the age of the personal video camera as well as small, concealable security cameras, so the risk of being filmed was not insignificant. But setting that aside, the wounds and the eyewitness testimony are still consistent with Zimmerman's account.

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman is necessarily telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I'm just saying that believing a story with supporting eyewitness testimony and physical evidence is at least as sensible as is believing a story based solely on inference and one one perjurer's ever-changing narrative.

Well said and why us "bigot/racists" really have the high road in this, the evidence backs up the core of his story and nothing, even the "testimony" of the pretty little liar sheds any real doubt on it...its sad so many can't accept reality
 

corwin

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It amazes me to no end the amount of fact twisting and "what if" contortions some TM supporters/GZ haters will go through to try to make Zimmerman look like a bad guy (when all accounts are that he was a completely and utterly decent person) and make Martin look like a saint (when all accounts are that he was a delinquent thug/gangsta wannabe with all kinds of character flaws). To those people: What the fuck is wrong your perception of reality? Get a grip.

Lol...+1:D

But of course we're just racist/bigots after all