Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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micrometers

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...roblems-school/story?id=16011674#.T3Ih6XhfZ8k
The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.
 

Pens1566

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Just hope no one breaks ionto your house and kills you while your waiting for the police. I for one am not leaving my personal protection up to when the police can arrive on the scene.

It might help your point if you didn't use 2 completely different situations.
 

micrometers

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Very true. I stated earlier that if GZ was the one to pursue, corner, and initiate contact in a manner that TM felt threatened then the fault of this all lies on GZ. It would be murder and not self defense even if he was getting his ass handed to him in a fight.

The problem is not with the laws at all. They are fine. The problem is we as the public have not been informed of all the evidence and are being led by the nose by this media farce/debacle.

I am a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty. This shit should not be on the news in this manner or reaching this level of national attention until the case has played out.

the laws ARE NOT fine.

They prevented the arrest in the first place. The lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the SYG law is so aggressive that it stood in the way.
 

Zebo

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Then he wouldn't have approached Z and started the altercation now would he? THAT wouldn't make a lick of sense...and yet he did according to the GF

SYG cuts both ways. T tried to get away from this guy chasing him on foot and in a SUV and maybe had enough of being threatened or was cornered and decided to SHG.
 

corwin

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If there are no charges, I hope you guys get what you want...riots.
You're talking to the Trayvon supporters right? Cause they've already starting it down in Florida and are just itching to everywhere else...cause you know if you don;t agree with something you need to loot and destroy property, it's the only civilized thing to do
 

corwin

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They prevented the arrest in the first place. The lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the SYG law is so aggressive that it stood in the way.
You mean after he was taken into custody and questioned for several hours and the investigator didn't want to buy his story but the attorney's said there wasn't enough evidence? Don't see any mention about SYG just not enough evidence of a crime...
 

Zargon

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the laws ARE NOT fine.

They prevented the arrest in the first place. The lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the SYG law is so aggressive that it stood in the way.

the law seems just fine.

the law shouldnt punish a citizen for following a suspicious person while they call 911.

gosh ya know the lead inv could be wrong, conviction rates in non federal criminal cases are pretty low, IE they are wrong alot.

IMO if you arent sure DONT ARREST THEM. if you end up sure, they get to spend their time in jail. else you have stuck an innocent person in the pen

they should not just 'go to court' and 'let a jury decide' because the media has already made it pretty impossible
 
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micrometers

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You're talking to the Trayvon supporters right? Cause they've already starting it down in Florida and are just itching to everywhere else...cause you know if you don;t agree with something you need to loot and destroy property, it's the only civilized thing to do

You're not interested in justice.

Frankly, you're automatically believing what this guy says even though he has no proof and has all the incentive in the world to lie.
 

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the laws ARE NOT fine.

They prevented the arrest in the first place. The lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the SYG law is so aggressive that it stood in the way.

Actually it seems the attorney was so aggressive about their conviction numbers that THEY stood in the way, not even the law necessarily.

Too bad for them, with all the public support I don't think a jury wouldn't have been swayed to find him guilty, and they would have came out the hero, and boosted their conviction numbers.
 

micrometers

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the law seems just fine.

the law shouldnt punish a citizen for following a suspicious person while they call 911.

gosh ya know the lead inv could be wrong, conviction rates in non federal criminal cases are pretty low, IE they are wrong alot.

IMO if you arent sure DONT ARREST THEM. if you end up sure, they get to spend their time in jail. else you have stuck an innocent person in the pen

The law is what is standing in the way of an arrest in this highly questionable case. You only have Zimmerman's word on what happened, but obviously he has ample incentive to lie.
 

Zebo

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If there are no charges, I hope you guys get what you want...riots.

I don't think he should be charged just to prevent mob violence, it will happen when jury is hung or he's acquitted anyway due to the broad SYG law. Law needs to be changed back to normal to prevent future senseless killings.

Duty to retreat is sane and encourages non-conflict. SYG is insane and encourages conflict. Which is why justified homicides have tripled since enacted.
 
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Please explain why it is wrong for people in a ghetto to riot against injustice?

Rioting is bad, innocent people get hurt. Innocent people have their property destroyed. Criminals get a free pass to steal etc.

I lived in Miami back in the 80's when we went through a few riots. Basically nothing but gun shots, burning and looting your own neighborhood. You are also giving the police a chance to roll in and kick azz. People get arrested etc. I never saw anything good come from it.

Surely there are better ways to address perceived 'wrongs'.

Fern
 

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the laws ARE NOT fine.

They prevented the arrest in the first place. The lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but the SYG law is so aggressive that it stood in the way.

One investigator that heard a third hand account of what was recorded by another investigator wanted to arrest him based on the fact he thought Zimmerman's story was "fishy" is not SYG blocking the arrest. No police officer is allowed to go arresting citizens based on a gut feeling they may have.
 

micrometers

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I don't think he should be charged just to prevent mob violence, it will happen when jury is hung or he's acquitted anyway due to the broad SYG law. Law needs to be changed back to normal to prevent future senseless killings.

Not just to prevent mob violence, but it is a legitimate concern, and the crowds do have a legitimate case. To not have a trial after a killing like this is just wrong.

I don't see why everyone is so quick to believe Zimmerman. The guy killed an innocent kid and no one can back up his entire claim.
 

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Not just to prevent mob violence, but it is a legitimate concern, and the crowds do have a legitimate case. To not have a trial after a killing like this is just wrong.

I don't see why everyone is so quick to believe Zimmerman. The guy killed an innocent kid and no one can back up his entire claim.

A kid who viciously attacks somebody is NOT innocent. Don't forget that.
 

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The two situations are nowhere near comparable. Zimmerman was only in danger after he pursued Martin, had the law not allowed that pursuit he would have been in no danger.

Someone breaking into your house is very different than walking down the street. If you cant tell the difference you are part of the problem.

I'm part of the problem and proud of it.

Z did nothing wrong. He followed a suspicious person, a stranger in the neighborhood. He had every right to have a gun with him for his personal protection. He was attacked and defended himself.

ZIMMERMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREARM AND THE RIGHT TO USE IT TO DEFEND HIMSELF!!

If you can PROVE otherwise then do so. LOL@U
 

micrometers

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One investigator that heard a third hand account of what was recorded by another investigator wanted to arrest him based on the fact he thought Zimmerman's story was "fishy" is not SYG blocking the arrest. No police officer is allowed to go arresting citizens based on a gut feeling they may have.

He was the lead investigator in charge. He had the full picture, probably better than any of you.
 

micrometers

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I'm part of the problem and proud of it.

Z did nothing wrong. He followed a suspicious person, a stranger in the neighborhood. He had every right to have a gun with him for his personal protection. He was attacked and defended himself.

ZIMMERMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREARM AND THE RIGHT TO USE IT TO DEFEND HIMSELF!!

If you can PROVE otherwise then do so. LOL@U

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. You don't know how the fight started. For all we know, Zimmerman waved his gun in the kid's face and dared him to punch him.

The problem is that you're completely certain when Zimmerman has no proof as to the start of the fight. None whatsoever.

That is enough for a trial I believe.
 

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A kid who viciously attacks somebody is NOT innocent. Don't forget that.

A grown man who attacks a kid isn't innocent either. Wonder how quickly he got that assault charge cleared, guess its good thing daddy was there to make it go away.