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Doppel

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I guess by "nothing wrong" they mean that kicking the shit out of somebody for following and approaching you is "not wrong".

I have a lot of sympathy for these parents but they are starting to cross the line into Sharpton territory.
Oh come on, he was just a sweet boy with skittles trying to get home to his brother while being hunted by a white man with a fully loaded pistol.

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Sympathy for the parents' loss doesn't mean they deserve any pass whatsoever on lying about him and contributing to riling up the masses. Lying about what he did may be part of their coping mechanism, but I suspect there was a lot of coping mechanism when he was alive, which is why he was quickly growing up to be a delinquent and was squarely on the path to future incarceration.
 

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I didn't even watch the whole thing. Maybe 30 seconds. And I have to say, I feel a profound sense of sadness. No one is giving them an opportunity to grieve. No one is giving them any peace with the constant interviews and cries for 'justice'. I can't imagine the number of times they have relived the pain of his death from all of this.
Maybe they could stay home and leave the tv off.
 

corwin

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Exactly, no one has forced them to give interviews
I'd bet you're wrong...Al and Crump are pushing them hard to get out there and speak for black justice, hell with the (im)potus making his big speech on "honoring" TM what else are they expected to do?
 

werepossum

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Sunny to Trayvon's parents: "What didn't come out in court about your son? -- maybe jurors didn't know enough about him"

..... LOL ... should have mentioned all bad things about him (that defense was not allowed to bring up in court)
This is freakin's scary, this idea that jurors should have found Zimmerman guilty out of sympathy for Martin and thus, they just didn't know enough about Martin. I'm beginning to think we are headed for the Idiocracy.

Charles Barkley agrees with the verdict and calls the media on their BS.

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/18/charl...ct-dings-media-for-fomenting-racialism-video/
Good for Barkley, he's always a class act.

what bothers me about this is the media.

They continue to have "friends" of TM's on who constantly say "tm was just walking home doing nothing. if GZ would have left him alone he would still be alive" they just say thank you instead of calling them on the facts.

the same shit with Rachel Jeantel. people keep saying how smart she is (peirs morgon) and how we don't understand her.

ugh
Agreed. The media has an agenda here and is going to continue to push altered facts of the case until a majority forget the details and agree with them.
 

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DOJ: Don't return gun to George Zimmerman while we're investigating

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...george-zimmerman-gun-20130718,0,2431785.story

Following a request from the FBI, the Sanford Police Department reported Thursday that it has halted its plan to return George Zimmerman's gun and other pieces of evidence used at his murder trial.

The move is a clear sign that the U.S. Department of Justice is moving ahead with its investigation into whether the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer violated the civil rights of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old he shot in Sanford last year.

Zimmerman was acquitted Saturday by a six-member Seminole County Jury, a decision that has prompted demonstrations in Sanford, Orlando and major cities across the U.S., including violence in Oakland and Los Angeles.

wow. gotta say that is rather scary.
Scary indeed.

Does it seem like there's a catch 22 to the government's pursuit of a violation of the Civil Rights Act. Under that provision, Zimmerman needed to be acting under the color of the law (i.e., instructed by the police dispatcher to follow and / or detain). But if he was acting under the color of the law, wouldn't he essentially be an "officer," which would further justify his shooting of Martin? Anyways, I'm not 100% about the intricacies of the Civil Rights Act but maybe one of the other resident lawyers on ATOT will have some insight.
I think we may be moving into a post-justice era where guilt or innocence is determined by how a jury feels about the parties involved. Rachel Jeantel is the future, as she says, and federal law will be whatever Eric Holder says it is.

Maybe they could stay home and leave the tv off.
No doubt. I feel sorry for them for losing their child, but the decision to do all these interviews is completely their own. Besides, they have been grieving for their son for over a year; now they are merely grieving over losing the criminal case against his killer.
 

Doppel

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I genuinely find this witch hunt alarming. What the DOJ is up to now is a racist witch hunt. The message it is sending is: non-blacks should not expect fair treatment if there is a dispute with a black; they will be presumed guilty of racist motivations and even when a jury lets them off they will be haunted and hunted by the likes of Jesse Jackson and the US attorney general.
 

waggy

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I'd bet you're wrong...Al and Crump are pushing them hard to get out there and speak for black justice, hell with the (im)potus making his big speech on "honoring" TM what else are they expected to do?


agree with this.

I think when you have people like Sharpton, Obama talking about you and your kids it goes to your head.

throw in crump who seems to me a scam artist. hearing him talk I am amazed he passed the bar. but he seems the type that is able to scam everyone.

I don't blame the parents for not seeing how bad TM was. it's hard to see reality of a situation in wich your kid dies.

I do think they like Deedee are being taken advantage of.
 

corwin

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So they can't say "No, it's time to let go and let God"
They've been brainwashed...hell by now I would bet even they can't remember anything TM ever did wrong and think all the pictures of him were shopped and he really was a choir boy who wouldn't step on bug if he could help it;) They've been pumped up and fed bullshit by those two for over a year now with the complicity of a corrupt justice system and dear leader backing them up, I doubt they know which way is up by now:rolleyes:
 

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The things that bother me the most about this case are condensed below. Perhaps these are just my issues with the case, but overall it has me pissed off that our system of justice can be so corrupt.

1. Rachel Jeantel was a tampered witness. She met with Trayvon's parents and the parent's attorney before any interview with law enforcement. *Yet she is allowed to testify.

2. We have a few Brady violations on the prosecution for withholding evidence that would help Zimmerman's defense. An IT employee who exposed some of it was fired and now has a whistle blower suit in the works. Defense team says they are now going after the prosecution for the violations.

3. Trayvon's parents were invited by the Sanford mayor to the mayor's office to listen to the 911 tape with the screams for help. That tape was evidence of a crime and it broke law enforcement/legal protocol to air it to ANYONE - especially anyone who would be on stand testifying in a trial.

4. NBC and the rest of the media - nuff said

And the black community is upset that the verdict wasn't guilty? They and anyone in the justice for Trayvon crowd aren't the least bit concerned about how the judicial system in Florida was compromised not just once, but multiple times/ways in order to bring Zimmerman to trial?

It baffles me to no end.

As for the parents... Fuck them. I have little to sympathy for their loss. They are being willingly paraded around talking about the loss of their son. FUCK THEM. There was ample evidence that as parents they had failed/were failing their son and they indeed are part of the narrative as to why he is dead. He wasn't some little angel. He wasn't a monster either, but he was far from what the justice for TM are portraying him as.
 

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The things that bother me the most about this case are condensed below. Perhaps these are just my issues with the case, but overall it has me pissed off that our system of justice can be so corrupt.

1. Rachel Jeantel was a tampered witness. She met with Trayvon's parents and the parent's attorney before any interview with law enforcement. *Yet she is allowed to testify.

2. We have a few Brady violations on the prosecution for withholding evidence that would help Zimmerman's defense. An IT employee who exposed some of it was fired and now has a whistle blower suit in the works. Defense team says they are now going after the prosecution for the violations.

3. Trayvon's parents were invited by the Sanford mayor to the mayor's office to listen to the 911 tape with the screams for help. That tape was evidence of a crime and it broke law enforcement/legal protocol to air it to ANYONE - especially anyone who would be on stand testifying in a trial.

4. NBC and the rest of the media - nuff said

And the black community is upset that the verdict wasn't guilty? They and anyone in the justice for Trayvon crowd aren't the least bit concerned about how the judicial system in Florida was compromised not just once, but multiple times/ways in order to bring Zimmerman to trial?

It baffles me to no end.

As for the parents... Fuck them. I have little to sympathy for their loss. They are being willingly paraded around talking about the loss of their son. FUCK THEM. There was ample evidence that as parents they had failed/were failing their son and they indeed are part of the narrative as to why he is dead. He wasn't some little angel. He wasn't a monster either, but he was far from what the justice for TM are portraying him as.

I can tell it is somewhat of a behind the looking glass moment for a substantial number of people. That this behavior and meddling is somehow tolerated because of a reverse racism that goes unchecked is alarming but also just simply confusing. Nobody really gets the why part of why this was done. IMO it's due to a festering reverse racism that takes great liberties with double standards and manipulated information. You've also got government involvement from the DOJ level, from the very get go, that was so simply out of place in this case that you have to ask yourself why, and once doing so I don't see how it doesn't lead to disturbing places and trends in our governments role over the citizenry.

The reaction to the verdict was the kicker. Amongst the many plainly racist and bizarre reactions was Racheal Jeantel on national TV in the context of why the verdict was wrong (despite it being correct based on evidence) explained why it was wrong by describing the jury as "they white". Not a peep from the media on that. Jessie Jackson has been out saying the 6 women were incapable, that they needed men on the jury. Complete double standards on how racism and bigotry is tolerated based on politics and race, and by double standards I simply mean bigotry and racism that goes unchecked and is implicitly supported through the tolerance granted to it as long as you are black and/or support liberal agendas.

It's not so much that we are all Treyvon Martin. It's that we are all George Zimmerman, if the government sets "our" (Read: Important use of our) sights on us,... then truth and justice be damned we're going down because of the immense power that will be used to demean us and go against us and it will be done so by shredding logic and reason in the name of a perverted rallying cry of "justice". It's government flexing it's mucles in the very worst way imaginable.
 
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waggy

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the stuff jental been saying in interviews amazes me. why aren't people calling her out on the racist stuff that she seems to think is ok? that its ok for a black man to attack someone because that's how tis done where she lives. That its ok to use racist language but not GZ?

I was surprised to find how involved the DOJ is in this case. Not just the bullshit after but before it got to court.


My aunt (crazy, racist and hard core 3rd party person. ready for another civil war type. think spidy but old and batshit crazy!) did make a good point though.

With it being known that the DOJ pushed this, that the DOJ is investigating it. That Obama made a comment and this is Obamas DOJ. She says this is going to make it harder for another black male to get in office. while she said it to be racist i hate to agree.
 

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I really don't think the DOJ is looking as closely into this case as being portrayed in the media. I think this is more to calm down those who disagreed with the verdict. There's absolutely no proof that race was a factor in this case (specially at the time force was used) so there's no basis for a civil rights violation charge.

AS for GZ's gun, I do believe it was given back to him Saturday night.
 

Attic

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Skin color is being used as a Trojan horse to sneak in behavior on this case and in the highest levels of government that would otherwise never have been tolerated.

Number of folks of all skin colors act in similarly atrocious manners, but typically it's called out or at least once subjected to being shown in the light to the people and is then no longer tolerated.
 
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I really don't think the DOJ is looking as closely into this case as being portrayed in the media. I think this is more to calm down those who disagreed with the verdict. There's absolutely no proof that race was a factor in this case (specially at the time force was used) so there's no basis for a civil rights violation charge.

AS for GZ's gun, I do believe it was given back to him Saturday night.

Regarding DOJ involvement you might find it interesting to look into the DOJ's CRS division.

http://www.justice.gov/crs/


Proof of this groups involvement via Thomas Battles in the death of TM.

Federal mediator Thomas Battles serves as peacemaker in Sanford

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/04/3485317/federal-mediator-serve-as-peacemaker.html



And then weigh the merits of what this author put together regarding CRS involvement in Sanford Florida on the GZ case.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...and-thomas-battles-turn-justice-into-just-us/


Reading through all the links will take some time, but it's worthwhile for answering, in part, they "why" or "how" aspect of what was done in the GZ case.
 

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Regarding DOJ involvement you might find it interesting to look into the DOJ's CRS division.

http://www.justice.gov/crs/


Proof of this groups involvement via Thomas Battles in the death of TM.

Federal mediator Thomas Battles serves as peacemaker in Sanford

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/04/3485317/federal-mediator-serve-as-peacemaker.html



And then weigh the merits of what this author put together regarding CRS involvement in Sanford Florida on the GZ case.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...and-thomas-battles-turn-justice-into-just-us/


Reading through all the links will take some time, but it's worthwhile for answering, in part, they "why" or "how" aspect of what was done in the GZ case.

I read all of this when it was first posted on CTH.
 

Geosurface

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Here's a pretty amazing video of Congressman Bobby Rush (remember him? he was the guy who put on a hoodie on the floor of congress and got disciplined for it if I recall correctly) on Hannity with another congressman, and they're "debating" the case and whether Trayvon was profiled.

I find it fairly amazing that this man is a congressman, when he seems to have no ability to argue a point or make any sort of coherent statement at all.

Near as I can tell, his argument is "well we know that Trayvon was profiled for his hoodie and for his race because he was black and he was wearing a hoodie" - when he's asked for any evidence which would indicate that (vs. Trayvon having been found suspicious due to his *behavior* and way of carrying himself) he just sort of repeats himself.

This represents the attitude a lot of people have about this case. They work backward from the conclusion. Black kid was shot by non-black person, automatically declared racist murder with a side of profiling, and then we'll worry about establishing that via the evidence later...

Anyway, it really is a pretty remarkable video if you can make it through it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osm99X8OONA
 

Doppel

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Lost also within the profiling of Trayvon's race is the fact that profiling a person based on race is legal. As was said earlier GZ could be a KKK member and it doesn't matter; he still has the right to not be assaulted.

So although the FBI after interviewing three dozen people concluded GZ is not a racist, even if he were it should not have impacted the decision based on what evidence we have.
 

Attic

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So how does such a strong disconnect occur between the facts of the case and what the perception in the populous is? How does that disconnect come about and persist to the degree we see? I go back to my links above on this question. I think the disconnect was no accident, rather it was engineered with tax payer funding through government interventionism on the case and it was done from very early on, not merely during trial or post verdict.
 
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Lost also within the profiling of Trayvon's race is the fact that profiling a person based on race is legal. As was said earlier GZ could be a KKK member and it doesn't matter; he still has the right to not be assaulted.

So although the FBI after interviewing three dozen people concluded GZ is not a racist, even if he were it should not have impacted the decision based on what evidence we have.
Apparently the Justice Department thinks the FBI did a really bad job investigating Zimmerman's alleged racism and are now soliciting email "tips" from the public. They should get plenty of "evidence" to warrant a civil rights case now!

The abuse of power by this administration apparently has no limits it seems.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story
 
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So how does such a strong disconnect occur between the facts of the case and what the perception in the populous is? How does that disconnect come about and persist to the degree we see? I go back to my links above on this question. I think the disconnect was no accident, rather it was engineered with tax payer funding through government interventionism on the case and it was done from very early on, not merely during trial or post verdict.
You can thank Eric Holder and our Justice Department. Their Community Relation Service unit was in this from the very beginning organizing/managing rallies and protests against Zimmerman. This is your tax dollars at work.