Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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lotus503

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Spidey has also mentioned other witnesses who's testimony corroborates Zimmerman's testimony as well.

True but not as it relates specifically to heading back to his car when attacked, noone other than Zimmerman is stating that.
 

MH2007

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Guys, even if Zimmerman's story is true...dude still should get a trial. Too much is left to speculation, and if the grand jury does not do anything, I expect significant civil unrest. I mean, you guys heard about Jothana Carr, right? Her freakout was in large part triggered by the Trayvon Martin story.

I would think that Zimmerman would actually prefer to have charges brought against him at this point so that he could actually start telling his side of the story and some of the evidence which the police claim support him would come to light. His lawyer did say that he was looking forward to Zimmerman getting his day in court, for what it's worth.

Keep in mind that Zimmerman's side has been muzzled by the police and have been unable to answer many questions posed to them during on-air interviews because the police hadn't released information on a particular issue.

It does seem to that some seem to interpret the police policy not to release any information as a sign that they don't have the information or that they haven't done the work.
 

spidey07

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In order to have a trial he has to be charged with a crime. They don't have enough evidence to establish probable cause so I don't see that happening.

And even the special prosecutor is saying it will be very difficult to even bring it to a grand jury, more likely there will be no grand jury.

There's just no evidence of a crime committed other than the assault by Martin.
 

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MH2007

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True but not as it relates specifically to heading back to his car when attacked, noone other than Zimmerman is stating that.

What he says during the call to police dispatch seems to support that as the more likely scenario

An important detail that might have been overlooked is that when Trayvon took off running George was asked which direction he was headed and George said towards the rear exit. So it is possible that George felt he had a good idea of where he might be headed.

So George takes off after Trayvon to see if he can reacquire a visual on him and the police dispatch tells him that he doesn't need to do that. George stops and tells dispatch he ran away.

What is the more reasonable next step here? It is possible that he knows where he is headed. Does he continue on foot hoping to catch up with someone who just outran him? Or does he go back to his vehicle to drive to where he thinks Trayvon is headed in order to patrol the area and see if he can spot him again? He may be thinking that if he does, he can let the police that are minutes away (and will call him when they get there) know where Trayvon is.
 

lotus503

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Maybe he should clarify he doesn't see Z going before the grand jury...they will review the evidence yes but doubtful he will be brought up on any charges

And thats fine if the grand Jury and DOJ determine there was no crime I can accept that.

At that point I will support action to revist the law that allows it to happen in the first place.

This particular case has opened my eyes a bit on Gun law, I was a big supporter of stand your ground prior to this, not anymore.

When waiting for the police could have stopped this from happening, I feel its what the law should require.
 

krunchykrome

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Have some decency, she lost her son and is grieving, why shouldn't she be able to cash in on it?

Absolutely, why shouldn't she....hell, any reasonable parent who just lost a child would be thinking about a a payday with royalties at a time like this.....lol
 

WHAMPOM

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If I found out my neighborhood watch captain didn't do anything about someone who appeared to be on drugs, possibly had a gun in waistband, looked like a thug with thug attire, hid his face when someone drove by, and was running behind houses... I would probably vote him out.


I think there are NO problems with zimmerman confronting trayvon.

That's not Neighborhood Watch, that's Vigilante Force. The Watch observe and report suspicious activity, do not carry firearms, do identify themselves by armband or other, do not confront unless an illegal act is in commission. Check out the guide book yourself.
 

Anonemous

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What he says during the call to police dispatch seems to support that as the more likely scenario

Since we're going into hypothetical situations,

Maybe Z wanted to prove to the PD that he can catch crooks so they'll let him on the force. It would look good for him to be able to catch the burglar on his watch. So he pursued M until the fatal confrontation.
 

corwin

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That's not Neighborhood Watch, that's Vigilante Force. The Watch observe and report suspicious activity, do not carry firearms, do identify themselves by armband or other, do not confront unless an illegal act is in commission. Check out the guide book yourself.
And lets just ignore the fact that he was just out running an errand and was a LAWFUL cc license holder...and while we're at it your "guide book" is another pointless deflection
 

lotus503

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And lets just ignore the fact that he was just out running an errand and was a LAWFUL cc license holder...and while we're at it your "guide book" is another pointless deflection


Lets also ignore had he waited for the cops who he knew were on the way vs get out of his car to go find him. He wouldnt be in his situation and Martin would be alive.
 

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Looks like the little punk was a thug or at least wanted to be. Suspended 3 times in the past year? Marijuana, burglary tools, stolen womens jewelry? Zimmerman saved this punk from a life in prison it looks like.
 

corwin

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Lets also ignore had he waited for the cops who he knew were on the way vs get out of his car to go find him. He wouldnt be in his situation and Martin would be alive.
Sure, why not ignore something that is in no way illegal and had it been a positive outcome would have not even made a headline in his town....when these things turn out well they are massively ignored
 

lotus503

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Sure...it's all about "justice" right? Or is it "protecting his reputation"?

A lot of folks who have gone through tramatic events, use the tragedy as a life purpose.

Maybe a foundation to change guns law, raisign money by sellign Shirts.

Hell John Walsh sure made a good living but I dont think he tried to profit from his sons Kidnapping and murder.