Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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umbrella39

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If I'd just come back from buying/selling drugs, I'd be pretty pissed if someone was trying to identify me and called the cops...

But thank you for another thought..."slim, young, athletic Trayvon" should have easily been able to get away from "fat pretend-a-cop", shouldn't he have? Unless he wasn't trying to get away, and came at Z.

You have absolutely no proof this kid was buying or selling drugs that night. All you are doing is dragging a dead kid through the mud with no proof. How fucking brave. Grow the fuck up.
 

OCNewbie

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Yes, Zimmerman the "these assholes always get away" and "fucking coons" guy was going to settle for an answer from Martin.

All these people convinced he's saying "coons": It would be great if you would at LEAST acknowledge (like I'm doing now) that the audio during the moment that word is supposedly uttered is just not clear enough to be 100% sure what he's saying. I, like many others, feel that he said "punks".
 

HomerJS

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You have no concept of the facts here and are dealing with pure emotional outrage over a "kid" getting shot...the facts show that the kid assaulted him and was beating him on the ground repeatedly over an extended period of time and was killed for it. His actions drew suspicion and instead of answering a simple question when HE APPROACHED Z he chose to fight...that's what the "facts" show as we know them now.

My question has nothing to do with emotion. I'm just asking question based on the facts we know. Your assertion I'm having an emotional outburst is just your way of deflecting from anwering the question.

That's ok have it your way.
 

nobodyknows

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I think the only real resolution is either repeal stand your ground, make it not applicable when defending yourself against minors, or allow minors the right to concealed carry.
If that's what you think, then thinking is obviously not your strong point.
 

corwin

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All these people convinced he's saying "coons": It would be great if you would at LEAST acknowledge (like I'm doing now) that the audio during the moment that word is supposedly uttered is just not clear enough to be 100% sure what he's saying. I, like many others, feel that he said "punks".
But that doesn't breed the outrage they desire...remember they lost the "fact" that he was white a while ago and need something new to bring the rage back out and make this about race again
 

corwin

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My question has nothing to do with emotion. I'm just asking question based on the facts we know. Your assertion I'm having an emotional outburst is just your way of deflecting from anwering the question.
No I stated the facts as they are known AT THIS MOMENT...you're basing an opinion on emotion, but that's your right to do
 

OCNewbie

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By the way, how do we know Zimmerman was "slow rolling" and not parked in his truck? The only references of his vehicle being in motion at the time his call to police took place, and at the time TM was "checking him out" has been in this thread.
 

CitizenKain

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Stop trying to play on people's emotions.


He did not say coons. Even in the absolute most doctored versions, where they focused on CREATING a hard K sound, it still does not sound like coons. Goons, or *maybe* cones, but either way this is not enough to assume what you're trying to insinuate.



And he was selling drugs, not buying them. No one knows at this time if they found any money on trayvon.

So he was selling drugs, but no mention of a bunch of cash on him? Funny that. Or is this another made up thing from people like you.
 

Conscript

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You have absolutely no proof this kid was buying or selling drugs that night. All you are doing is dragging a dead kid through the mud with no proof. How fucking brave. Grow the fuck up.

more reason for the belief than you do to drag the living through the mud with no proof. Grow the fuck up....AND be less hypocritical. thanks!
 

umbrella39

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Oh, he's biased, but when you make a comparison between GZ and TM, GZ is simply an "armed adult", and the 17 year-old TM is generalized into a group labeled "children", that's not being biased? When I think of children, images of a smiling 11 year-old TM might come to mind, but certainly not the 17 year-old, likely fully grown Martin that was present on the night in question.

You've pre-judged Zimmerman to the same degree everybody else has that refuses to consider all the apparent facts and evidence that are available in this case. So how are you any different? You're not fooling anyone into believing you're some champion for truth.

Can the fully grown Martin legally defend himself with a firearm against his pursuer Zimmerman? Whatever points you are trying to make are moot. I don't give a shit about the young Martin pictured in photos. If they are playing on your emotions that's your problem. Fuck the media, not interested in their opinion or how people think they are trying to spin the story. I'm interested in letting the grand jury do it's job and accept their decision. I, like many, think their are holes in both Zimmerman's story and the way the SPD handled the case. I, like everyone else here, am entitled to my opinion. Please don't pretend you are some seeker of truths up there on the cross.
 

HomerJS

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By the way, how do we know Zimmerman was "slow rolling" and not parked in his truck? The only references of his vehicle being in motion at the time his call to police took place, and at the time TM was "checking him out" has been in this thread.

Z phone call says he's following T. T phone call to gf says he's being followed.
 

umbrella39

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more reason for the belief than you do to drag the living through the mud with no proof. Grow the fuck up....AND be less hypocritical. thanks!

Do you think you are being clever or making yourself look less pathetic? You are actually to the right of spidey on this, congrats! That's quite an accomplishment. Going to need more chairs, this thread is overloading the table...
 

werepossum

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It is a sad, pathetic day in America where it is frowned upon for a man to investigate a suspicious person in his own neighborhood - Particularly when he is neighborhood watch.


Trayvon was CLEARLY suspicious. Zimmerman CLEARLY had a reason to think he was up to no good, from the way he acted by covering his face (verified by trayvon's GF) to the circumstances recorded on the phone calls.


It is amazing to me that people feel like the answer to everything is hide in your house and lock the door, while some thug is next door raping your neighbor.
I agree with this, but gunning down 17 year old kids isn't the answer either. One possible reason Martin covered his face was to avoid being seen to be black and therefore hassled.

One possible reason he would walk half a mile to a convenience store in a drizzling rain is to be able to talk to his girl friend (and others) without the parental units overhearing. That would be fairly typical teenager behavior.
 

corwin

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Can the fully grown Martin legally defend himself with a firearm against his pursuer Zimmerman? Whatever points you are trying to make are moot. I don't give a shit about the young Martin pictured in photos. If they are playing on your emotions that's your problem. Fuck the media, not interested in their opinion or how people think they are trying to spin the story. I'm interested in letting the grand jury do it's job and accept their decision. I, like many, think their are holes in both Zimmerman's story and the way the SPD handled the case. I, like everyone else here, am entitled to my opinion. Please don't pretend you are some seeker of truths up there on the cross.
If you're asking if T could have shot Z simply for following him and asking him a question you've got to be kidding...that's a moronic question to pose...he would have no more right to do that than he did to hit him when it happened. And you are most definitely being played by the media and what you see, if you can't admit that then your blinders are on good and tight
 

umbrella39

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All these people convinced he's saying "coons": It would be great if you would at LEAST acknowledge (like I'm doing now) that the audio during the moment that word is supposedly uttered is just not clear enough to be 100% sure what he's saying. I, like many others, feel that he said "punks".

I don't profess to know what he said and leave it up to those with the right equipment who can decipher it better to make that call. I'm not convinced he said coons, cunts, or punks.
 

Bird222

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Or maybe, when zimmerman said 'hey man what're you doing here' trayvon could've said 'on my way back from 7-11, I live over here visiting dad' which would've diffused the entire situation.

But what about freedom? Don't we have the right not answer someone in this country?
 

corwin

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I agree with this, but gunning down 17 year old kids isn't the answer either. One possible reason Martin covered his face was to avoid being seen to be black and therefore hassled.

One possible reason he would walk half a mile to a convenience store in a drizzling rain is to be able to talk to his girl friend (and others) without the parental units overhearing. That would be fairly typical teenager behavior.
No shooting them is clearly not the answer, and hiding himself could have been a reaction to not wanting to be identified as being black but it's also a move most would consider suspicious...I don't think he was out selling drugs or stealing stuff from the store either, he probably did just want to get out for a while.
 

Pens1566

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You have no concept of the facts here and are dealing with pure emotional outrage over a "kid" getting shot...the facts show that the kid assaulted him and was beating him on the ground repeatedly over an extended period of time and was killed for it. His actions drew suspicion and instead of answering a simple question when HE APPROACHED Z he chose to fight...that's what the "facts" show as we know them now.

For the record, none of what you just stated is a "fact". Supposition.
 

Zebo

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I agree with this, but gunning down 17 year old kids isn't the answer either. One possible reason Martin covered his face was to avoid being seen to be black and therefore hassled.

One possible reason he would walk half a mile to a convenience store in a drizzling rain is to be able to talk to his girl friend (and others) without the parental units overhearing. That would be fairly typical teenager behavior.

I agree with this too. But if you're gonna go after someone you think is a thug, which he did, you better be built like a linebacker so you can handle it without having to kill them. Zimmerman put his portly self at risk where his only recourse was killing to diffuse a situation and he knew that too. That should be against the law.
 

HomerJS

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No I stated the facts as they are known AT THIS MOMENT...you're basing an opinion on emotion, but that's your right to do

and I asked questions based on your statement. You can't handle that? So which one of these questions is steeped in emotion??

I assume you have evidence Z knew the identity of everyone in the development? I also assume if Z was a responsible TWP had an SOP to deal with visitors who may walk through the development?
 

corwin

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But what about freedom? Don't we have the right not answer someone in this country?
Sure...but not to assault them based on nothing more than their asking a question...which is what is being put forth at this time. And don't forget that he (according to his GF's initial statement) started the conversation with Z not the other way around.
 

OCNewbie

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Can the fully grown Martin legally defend himself with a firearm against his pursuer Zimmerman? Whatever points you are trying to make are moot. I don't give a shit about the young Martin pictured in photos. If they are playing on your emotions that's your problem. Fuck the media, not interested in their opinion or how people think they are trying to spin the story. I'm interested in letting the grand jury do it's job and accept their decision. I, like many, think their are holes in both Zimmerman's story and the way the SPD handled the case. I, like everyone else here, am entitled to my opinion. Please don't pretend you are some seeker of truths up there on the cross.

No, to my knowledge, he can't. I'm not sure why you're asking this though, as while I can understand TM might have been suspicious of GZ, I don't believe TM had any reason to fear for his life up to the point the two finally encountered each other face to face. What had GZ done up to that point that would have made TM think his life was in danger? Did TM feel uneasy about GZ checking him out? Likely. But a threat to his life where TM would have been justified in using a gun? I just haven't seen or heard anything that indicates that.

Oh, btw, all your points are moot too, neener neener...