Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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by the way, there's only one reason why anyone walks a mile in the rain to a 7 eleven...and it ain't for skittles. Please tell me in the 5K+ posts made that i'm not the only one who brought this up.


Come on, don't you know these little kids keep their skittles in dime bags. Everyone hates on the little kids these days


/sarcasm sarcasm
 

CitizenKain

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Children are not 6'3, with gold grills, gang tats, and drug baggies.
That is an adult, a thug.

Zimmerman didn't see a black/white person, he saw a thug, a punk, who covered their face as he drove by and then ran behind a neighbor's house when asked what he was doing there.

Biased in what way? In that I don't want little hoodlum punks with gang tats around who hide their identity, and run away when asked if they live there?

No, I don't want that, and I don't think we as a society should make it ok either.
If trayvon was so scared, so innocent, then he should have ran and dialed 911 rather than attacking zimmerman. He was 6'3, tall/large enough to not be intimated by little zimmerman and certainly could have outrun him.

So I guess you are ok with murder as long as its a black person who you consider a thug, got it. Also people jumping on a tattoo of his mothers name as a gang-tat is pretty hilarious, but expected from people like you.
 

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This should be a lesson learned for everyone. Do not physically attack someone thinking you can win a fist fight...they might be armed.

It should also be a lesson to any gun owner to maybe not engage in a fist fight with a minor. If you end up on your back, getting your head smashed into the ground, yet manage to draw your weapon without the minor being able to subdue you, even though the minor has demonstrated an ability to take you to the ground and pound your head into the ground, you will be demonized by the national media for killing a kid who was unarmed, and moreover, by law could not have armed himself.
 

Conscript

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Oh this should be good... I hope it explains why the kid was shot dead.

no, but it does hopefully further remove this angel figure that so many of you are holding onto, and maybe speak to why T was so unwilling to show himself and hiding his face, and possibly got confrontational once approached?
 

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Even more sad and pathetic when people cheerlead and support armed adults confronting children they deem suspicious who themselves can't legally carry and defend themselves at the age of 17 against self appointed block cops.

You are CLEARLY biased. Nothing wrong with that, you are just like Zimmerman... you pre-judged. Covering up with a hoodie in the rain isn't in itself suspicious, it's subjective to each person and you choose to see that as something that warrants suspicion.

Oh, he's biased, but when you make a comparison between GZ and TM, GZ is simply an "armed adult", and the 17 year-old TM is generalized into a group labeled "children", that's not being biased? When I think of children, images of a smiling 11 year-old TM might come to mind, but certainly not the 17 year-old, likely fully grown Martin that was present on the night in question.

You've pre-judged Zimmerman to the same degree everybody else has that refuses to consider all the apparent facts and evidence that are available in this case. So how are you any different? You're not fooling anyone into believing you're some champion for truth.
 

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Oh, he's biased, but when you make a comparison between GZ and TM, GZ is simply an "armed adult", and the 17 year-old TM is generalized into a group labeled "children", that's not being biased? When I think of children, images of a smiling 11 year-old TM might come to mind, but certainly not the 17 year-old, likely fully grown Martin that was present on the night in question.

You've pre-judged Zimmerman to the same degree everybody else has that refuses to consider all the apparent facts and evidence that are available in this case. So how are you any different? You're not fooling anyone into believing you're some champion for truth.

I think the only real resolution is either repeal stand your ground, make it not applicable when defending yourself against minors, or allow minors the right to concealed carry.
 

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No he wasn't... He's called him a hoodrat from the beginning.

He was, but I had not picked a side until Martin's record became known.

Also regardless if the one middle finger pic was a forgery. All the rest from his social sites were not.

I don't get how ppl think he only had one tat of his mom's name either.
 

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no, but it does hopefully further remove this angel figure that so many of you are holding onto, and maybe speak to why T was so unwilling to show himself and hiding his face, and possibly got confrontational once approached?

Why shouldn't be confrontational when being followed by a fat pretend-a-cop? Especially one with a history of violence.
 
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Again, you are clearly showing not only your bias but overert hatred and can now be relegated to the same table with spidey.

I don't give a fuck if he is 7 foot tall, Zimmerman is an adult who can legally carry, Martin wasn't. The only way Martin stood a chance against Zimmerman would have been to carry an illegal firearm and boy you fanbois would have had a field day with that, fucking gangster thug.... Yet another added to the wanted to see this kid dead at all costs plonkfiles. Bye...

Or maybe, when zimmerman said 'hey man what're you doing here' trayvon could've said 'on my way back from 7-11, I live over here visiting dad' which would've diffused the entire situation.
 

HomerJS

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Even by trayvon's gf account, which is filtered through family lawyers, trayvon SPECIFICALLY covered his face so zimmerman couldn't ID him.


Hoodie on = not suspicious
Put hoodie on as someone drives by to conceal ID = suspicious

One problem he put his hood on after Z was already slow rolling behind T. So initiallly by your definition Z had no reason to be suspicious. T had a reason to be suspicious(based on phone call) because Z following him so he put his hood on.
 

corwin

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One problem he put his hood on after Z was already slow rolling behind T. So initiallly by your definition Z had no reason to be suspicious. T had a reason to be suspicious(based on phone call) because Z following him so he put his hood on.
You're ignoring reality yet again, someone walking through a gated community that wasn't recognized at night is suspicious...he had every right to slow down and take a longer look at him, he then made himself even more suspicious by trying to conceal his identity and running off, that's what criminals do when they are observed.
 

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I think the only real resolution is either repeal stand your ground, make it not applicable when defending yourself against minors, or allow minors the right to concealed carry.

How about making it illegal to physically attack someone? Wait, it already is.
 

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Why shouldn't be confrontational when being followed by a fat pretend-a-cop? Especially one with a history of violence.

If I'd just come back from buying/selling drugs, I'd be pretty pissed if someone was trying to identify me and called the cops...

But thank you for another thought..."slim, young, athletic Trayvon" should have easily been able to get away from "fat pretend-a-cop", shouldn't he have? Unless he wasn't trying to get away, and came at Z.
 

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Or maybe, when zimmerman said 'hey man what're you doing here' trayvon could've said 'on my way back from 7-11, I live over here visiting dad' which would've diffused the entire situation.

If Z is an alleged town watch person he has responsibility to act in a responsible manner. If a TWP is going to approach anyone they should say something like...

"excuse me I'm xxx a town watch person. You seem to be lost may I help you."

Not "what are you doing here" Saying that after slow rolling behind someone invites hostility.

The onus to initiate a polite professional interaction was completely on Z.
 

corwin

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Why shouldn't be confrontational when being followed by a fat pretend-a-cop? Especially one with a history of violence.
First the "history of violence" is pretty lame, and T had no clue about anything...second he's supposed to be a "kid" right? So maybe he should answer a simple question from an adult instead of getting all butt hurt over being asked?
 

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no, but it does hopefully further remove this angel figure that so many of you are holding onto, and maybe speak to why T was so unwilling to show himself and hiding his face, and possibly got confrontational once approached?

I don't know any kids that are even close to be angles, my own included. Nor do I find myself shocked that a 17 year old would have the audacity to get high or have weed on him. Not that he did, did he?

Someone follows me in a car with the windows up HIDING THEIR FACE, and won't identify themselves, is pretty fucking suspicious if you ask me, I'm going to get confrontational, too especially if after I try to remove myself from the situation and they get out and chase after me with a gun, but... I have a surprise. I'm an adult and I can carry, too. I am afforded that right, Martin at 17 isn't in Florida, Zimmerman knows this, tells dispatcher in his late teens. So anyhow I'm guessing that whatever he picked up at 7-11 had no correlation to the shooting then... Darn, I had high hopes.
 

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If Z is an alleged town watch person he has responsibility to act in a responsible manner. If a TWP is going to approach anyone they should say something like...

"excuse me I'm xxx a town watch person. You seem to be lost may I help you."

Not "what are you doing here" Saying that after slow rolling behind someone invites hostility.

The onus to initiate a polite professional interaction was completely on Z.

he's a shitty person, we all know.
 

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Or maybe, when zimmerman said 'hey man what're you doing here' trayvon could've said 'on my way back from 7-11, I live over here visiting dad' which would've diffused the entire situation.

Yes, Zimmerman the "these assholes always get away" and "fucking coons" guy was going to settle for an answer from Martin.

Conscript said:
If I'd just come back from buying/selling drugs, I'd be pretty pissed if someone was trying to identify me and called the cops...
But thank you for another thought..."slim, young, athletic Trayvon" should have easily been able to get away from "fat pretend-a-cop", shouldn't he have? Unless he wasn't trying to get away, and came at Z.

You don't seem to be able to follow simple concepts here, but Martin wasn't from the neighborhood. Also, if he had been buying drugs, that would have been the first thing the police would have brought up after they looked at the body. Actually I'm surprised the police didn't plant some on the kid just to cover their bases, they seem the type.
 

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You're ignoring reality yet again, someone walking through a gated community that wasn't recognized at night is suspicious...he had every right to slow down and take a longer look at him, he then made himself even more suspicious by trying to conceal his identity and running off, that's what criminals do when they are observed.

I assume you have evidence Z knew the identity of everyone in the development? I also assume if Z was a responsible TWP had an SOP to deal with visitors who may walk through the development?

What evidence you have T is or was doing anything criminal?

I'm trying to deal with only the facts we know not wild ass conjecture.
 

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Let just stop with the race card... EVERYONE in this goddamn galaxy is a racist, I am a racist, you are a racist, everyone is. To say other wise is a big fat lie.

I don't think all people are racist in the sense that they think one race is better then the other, but I do think most, iof not all people are racist in the sense that birds of a feather flock together.
 

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I assume you have evidence Z knew the identity of everyone in the development? I also assume if Z was a responsible TWP had an SOP to deal with visitors who may walk through the development?

What evidence you have T is or was doing anything criminal?

I'm trying to deal with only the facts we know not wild ass conjecture.
You have no concept of the facts here and are dealing with pure emotional outrage over a "kid" getting shot...the facts show that the kid assaulted him and was beating him on the ground repeatedly over an extended period of time and was killed for it. His actions drew suspicion and instead of answering a simple question when HE APPROACHED Z he chose to fight...that's what the "facts" show as we know them now.
 

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That young man was a young punk. It's clear now more and more is coming out. The parents have admitted he was suspended for them finding a baggie with marijuana residue in his bag on school grounds. They are denying he had any previous issues with any school despite going on record early on saying he had behavioral problems.

It's amazing how our average posting can be so influenced by the media.

It's clear that although Zimmerman pursued it was Martin that attacked him and began bashing his brains out. It's clear that it was Zimmerman's screams. This is all verified by witnesses.

However you have Crutcher (probably being paid) expanding her story everyday.

The really funny part is if Martin's real pictures were released on day one, he'd have lost 90% of his support. Many people still believe these are not his pictures though and simply 'Zimmerman' supporters creating fabrications.

It's all in the 150+ pages from his twitter and facebook what kind of young man Martin was.
In a way, this illustrates three societal problems. First is the media, openly taking sides to push an agenda and thereby obscuring the actual facts. Second is the prevalence of even good kids to take on the gangsta gangbanger persona to be cool. And third is our tendency to prejudge people and place them into categories. It's a fair bet that Martin's appearance - hoodie, black skin, perhaps gold grill - in the aggregate caused Zimmerman to make assumptions about Martin that led directly to Martin's death.
 

HomerJS

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Yes, Zimmerman the "these assholes always get away" and "fucking coons" guy was going to settle for an answer from Martin.



You don't seem to be able to follow simple concepts here, but Martin wasn't from the neighborhood. Also, if he had been buying drugs, that would have been the first thing the police would have brought up after they looked at the body. Actually I'm surprised the police didn't plant some on the kid just to cover their bases, they seem the type.

BTW - Speculating T was buying drugs is as relevant as speculating Z was just coming back from assulting a cop or beating his wife.
 
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Yes, Zimmerman the "these assholes always get away" and "fucking coons" guy was going to settle for an answer from Martin.



You don't seem to be able to follow simple concepts here, but Martin wasn't from the neighborhood. Also, if he had been buying drugs, that would have been the first thing the police would have brought up after they looked at the body. Actually I'm surprised the police didn't plant some on the kid just to cover their bases, they seem the type.


Stop trying to play on people's emotions.


He did not say coons. Even in the absolute most doctored versions, where they focused on CREATING a hard K sound, it still does not sound like coons. Goons, or *maybe* cones, but either way this is not enough to assume what you're trying to insinuate.



And he was selling drugs, not buying them. No one knows at this time if they found any money on trayvon.

Edit: To clarify, he was caught with multiple baggies on him. Drug users do not carry multiple baggies, only dealers do.
 
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