Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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alkemyst

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http://tax.illinois.gov/Individuals/Illinois-Use-Tax.htm

Please don't derail though.

I think you know how stupid your argument is though. Doctors and cops are clearly different than unregistered neighborhood watch organizations, they are licensed by the state to do their duty. Regardless though, the media usually differentiates when a cop involved in a story is off-duty vs on-duty.

You don't have to be a member of a 'watch' to be concerned.

Also the media mentions off-duty a lot of the time because it gets people like here claiming the cop was just being a busy body and had no business acting as a cop off-hours.
 

alkemyst

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Eye witness testimony sworn evidence.

Dari, like many here are obviously not keeping up with the news on this, but simply want to act as experts in it.

Down here in S. Florida this is on the news practically every hour with new details of some kind.

The parents want to sue the school now for whoever released the private information about their son's suspension.

This is what most don't understand. Martin could have an arrest record. Being a minor they cannot release it.
 

OCNewbie

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Zimmerman was walking back to his SUV when attacked. The law does not agree with your opinion that stepping out of a vehicle precludes one from self-defense.

Do you have proof of this?

I don't think the direction Zimmerman was headed in is all too important of a fact when compared to what appears to indicate that Trayvon was the one that approached, or at least spoke first to GZ, according to quotes made by TM's girlfriend, who he supposedly was on the phone with just prior to the physical altercation (apparently).
 

momeNt

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Eye witness testimony sworn evidence.

Nobody except Zimmerman and Martin know if he was really walking back to his car or not.

Nobody except Zimmerman and Martin know if he reached for his cell phone or gun.

You can only talk if you are alive. The benefit of the doubt is usually always given to the shooter in Florida, so yes, I agree with you.
 

Craig234

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Even then you have a choice, when I was a kid we shopped at goodwill and kmart, doesn't mean you have to dress and act like a "gangsta" unless that's the image you wish to project, that lifestyle needs to be discouraged and fall to the side so the civilized world can be done with it

This isn't about your culture war, it's about one killing and the law. But hey, I have a tip for you to reduce the 'gangsta' culture - reduce poverty as the progressives want.
 

umbrella39

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It is a sad, pathetic day in America where it is frowned upon for a man to investigate a suspicious person in his own neighborhood - Particularly when he is neighborhood watch.

Trayvon was CLEARLY suspicious. Zimmerman CLEARLY had a reason to think he was up to no good, from the way he acted by covering his face (verified by trayvon's GF) to the circumstances recorded on the phone calls.

Even more sad and pathetic when people cheerlead and support armed adults confronting children they deem suspicious who themselves can't legally carry and defend themselves at the age of 17 against self appointed block cops.

You are CLEARLY biased. Nothing wrong with that, you are just like Zimmerman... you pre-judged. Covering up with a hoodie in the rain isn't in itself suspicious, it's subjective to each person and you choose to see that as something that warrants suspicion.

Martin's only crime that night was not having his own legal firearm but alas... he wasn't 21 and couldn't legally own one, so this fight... he was destined to lose mo matter what unless he could somehow disarm Zimmerman. We all know how that went.

Had Martin been able to legally carry and when they ultimately met up and both felt threatened they could have drawn simultaneously asking what are you doing here/why are you following me... what happens next... who knows but the field is level.
 

HomerJS

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It is a sad, pathetic day in America where it is frowned upon for a man to investigate a suspicious person in his own neighborhood - Particularly when he is neighborhood watch.


Trayvon was CLEARLY suspicious. Zimmerman CLEARLY had a reason to think he was up to no good, from the way he acted by covering his face (verified by trayvon's GF) to the circumstances recorded on the phone calls.


It is amazing to me that people feel like the answer to everything is hide in your house and lock the door, while some thug is next door raping your neighbor.

Clearly?? Based on what? What was he doing that made him suspicious? He wasn't wearing a mask so your description of "covering face" is bogus. Since when is putting a hood on your head in the rain suspicious?
 

Craig234

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Alkemyst, I see you seeming to believe every word you hear on one side of the issue, including anonymous rumors, when there is no basis for that. It suggests a big bias.

I heard a report today from Bill Press that the photo going around of Martin looking like a 'thug' with two middle fingers, posted repeatedly in this, was a forgery.

Says something that people think it's ok to forge something like that and put it out.
 
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Even more sad and pathetic when people cheerlead and support armed adults confronting children they deem suspicious who themselves can't legally carry and defend themselves at the age of 17 against self appointed block cops.

You are CLEARLY biased. Nothing wrong with that, you are just like Zimmerman... you pre-judged. Covering up with a hoodie in the rain isn't in itself suspicious, it's subjective to each person and you choose to see that as something that warrants suspicion.

Martin's only crime that night was not having his own legal firearm but alas... he wasn't 21 and couldn't legally own one, so this fight... he was destined to lose mo matter what unless he could somehow disarm Zimmerman. We all know how that went.

Had Martin been able to legally carry and when they ultimately met up and both felt threatened they could have drawn simultaneously asking what are you doing here/why are you following me... what happens next... who knows but the field is level.


Children are not 6'3, with gold grills, gang tats, and drug baggies.


That is an adult, a thug.

Zimmerman didn't see a black/white person, he saw a thug, a punk, who covered their face as he drove by and then ran behind a neighbor's house when asked what he was doing there.




Biased in what way? In that I don't want little hoodlum punks with gang tats around who hide their identity, and run away when asked if they live there?

No, I don't want that, and I don't think we as a society should make it ok either.




If trayvon was so scared, so innocent, then he should have ran and dialed 911 rather than attacking zimmerman. He was 6'3, tall/large enough to not be intimated by little zimmerman and certainly could have outrun him.
 
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Clearly?? Based on what? What was he doing that made him suspicious? He wasn't wearing a mask so your description of "covering face" is bogus. Since when is putting a hood on your head in the rain suspicious?


Even by trayvon's gf account, which is filtered through family lawyers, trayvon SPECIFICALLY covered his face so zimmerman couldn't ID him.


Hoodie on = not suspicious
Put hoodie on as someone drives by to conceal ID = suspicious
 

corwin

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This isn't about your culture war, it's about one killing and the law. But hey, I have a tip for you to reduce the 'gangsta' culture - reduce poverty as the progressives want.
This is about way more than one killing...one killing that is likely justified if tragic...it is about culture and how people present themselves that catches attention in a negative way then get up in arms about the negative attention they receive, it's about a culture that promotes a violent lifestyle then riots when violence happens.
 

umbrella39

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Do you have proof of this?

Nope he doesn't and logistics and the timeline and Zimmermans own words to dispatch a minute before we know Martin is lying dead don't even come close to supporting that claim. He clearly told dispatch NOT to meet him at his parked truck right as the phone call ended and to call him so he could tell him his location. His words exactly. He was still following and within a minute of the call ending Martin lie dead around the corner 70 yards from his back door, no where near where Zimmerman parked his truck. His story claims that in that minute he got into the truck, got out to check the street name, and when getting back into truck was attacked from behind yet Martin lie dead around the corner, between the two rows of buildings 70 yards from his door... hmm...
 
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Alkemyst, I see you seeming to believe every word you hear on one side of the issue, including anonymous rumors, when there is no basis for that. It suggests a big bias.

I heard a report today from Bill Press that the photo going around of Martin looking like a 'thug' with two middle fingers, posted repeatedly in this, was a forgery.

Says something that people think it's ok to forge something like that and put it out.


Alky was rooting for travon at the beginning of the thread.
 

Conscript

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So, in your opinion, the police have done all they could and anything new is 'kowtowing"? You think they did an outstanding job with the investigation?



I have no idea, i wasn't there, and I'm not involved in the investigation. What I can say is that I believe the police have an infinite amount more data than anyone in this forum, and I'm also acutely aware of the media's role in this in an attempt to keep this story burning hotter and longer. When given the choice of believing in a gamut of law enforcement officials who at this point would be taking the easy route just arresting Zimmerman, versus the liberal arm chair detectives in this forum, I'll err on the side of the people who do it for a living, acknowledging they're not perfect, but at the end of the day generally don't get it wrong.

here's the thing Kari, you're one of those arm chair people...and 100% of your information is from media who to anyone with an ounce of intellect can see is trying to steer you into a specific mindset. From describing Z as "white Hispanic", to showing 5 year old pictures of a prepubescent T, instead of the gang photos of him in the last months, to the burying of the story until now that witnesses all claim that Z was struck and calling for help.... don't you feel slightly manipulated, or are just another of the sheep who don't care?
 

umbrella39

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Children are not 6'3, with gold grills, gang tats, and drug baggies.


That is an adult, a thug.

Again, you are clearly showing not only your bias but overert hatred and can now be relegated to the same table with spidey.

I don't give a fuck if he is 7 foot tall, Zimmerman is an adult who can legally carry, Martin wasn't. The only way Martin stood a chance against Zimmerman would have been to carry an illegal firearm and boy you fanbois would have had a field day with that, fucking gangster thug.... Yet another added to the wanted to see this kid dead at all costs plonkfiles. Bye...
 

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Even more sad and pathetic when people cheerlead and support armed adults confronting children they deem suspicious who themselves can't legally carry and defend themselves at the age of 17 against self appointed block cops.

You are obviously looking at the 14 year old T picture and thinking he still looks like that. When someone is 6 foot tall, "child" is not an adjective most people immediately give the person.
 

cybrsage

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Again, you are clearly showing not only your bias but overert hatred and can now be relegated to the same table with spidey.

I don't give a fuck if he is 7 foot tall, Zimmerman is an adult who can legally carry, Martin wasn't. The only way Martin stood a chance against Zimmerman would have been to carry an illegal firearm and boy you fanbois would have had a field day with that, fucking gangster thug.... Yet another added to the wanted to see this kid dead at all costs plonkfiles. Bye...


This should be a lesson learned for everyone. Do not physically attack someone thinking you can win a fist fight...they might be armed.
 

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by the way, there's only one reason why anyone walks a mile in the rain to a 7 eleven...and it ain't for skittles. Please tell me in the 5K+ posts made that i'm not the only one who brought this up.
 

umbrella39

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You are obviously looking at the 14 year old T picture and thinking he still looks like that. When someone is 6 foot tall, "child" is not an adjective most people immediately give the person.

Again this 6 foot tall child who cannot legally vote, drink, or defend himself against a self appointed, armed block cop unless he could somehow wrestle the gun away. Again, we know how that played out.
 

umbrella39

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by the way, there's only one reason why anyone walks a mile in the rain to a 7 eleven...and it ain't for skittles. Please tell me in the 5K+ posts made that i'm not the only one who brought this up.

Oh this should be good... I hope it explains why the kid was shot dead.
 
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Again, you are clearly showing not only your bias but overert hatred and can now be relegated to the same table with spidey.

I don't give a fuck if he is 7 foot tall, Zimmerman is an adult who can legally carry, Martin wasn't. The only way Martin stood a chance against Zimmerman would have been to carry an illegal firearm and boy you fanbois would have had a field day with that, fucking gangster thug.... Yet another added to the wanted to see this kid dead at all costs plonkfiles. Bye...



You are exactly right.. I have an overt hatred for thug gang members, who 'stalk' neighborhoods looking into people's backyards for an opportunity.

When I thought trayvon was a 12 year old little gun, ruthlessly gunned down.. I was very upset at the whole situation, that someone would shoot a little kid.

However, these recent gang/thug pics put things in an entirely different light and make it understandable why zimmerman, as a neighborhood watch captain, wanted to make sure one of his neighbors wasn't being raped or robbed by some thug.