Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[airdata]

All the blunt talk would work in Trayvon's favor imho, I've never seen a person high off weed fight unless provoked to an extreme. They're way too mellow for all that.

That's very true.

Spatiallyaware over there has stated numerous times about how extremely intoxicated Trayvon appears in the 7-11 tapes...

and then people like him want to go on and pretend he ' savagely attacked' zimmerman for no reason.

You don't get high and drink cough syrup and then go out and pick a fight w\ somebody.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

All the blunt talk would work in Trayvon's favor imho, I've never seen a person high off weed fight unless provoked to an extreme. They're way too mellow for all that.

Some studies show people can experience paranoia and anxiety after smoking weed. Could that be what set off TM?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

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It's good to note that all of this is theory.

And while I find it probable that he could have been @ 711 to buy/sell weed it still has no bearing on the actual killing.

Unless George Zimmerman is suddenly revealed to be an undercover cop w\ some sort of authority, he had no fucking business profiling and/or racially profiling a 17 year old kid, chasing after him, and killing him after getting the bad end of a fist fight.

George Zimmerman knows that in his capacity as neighborhood watch, he's not supposed to go after anybody.

The idea that he was looking for an address is fucking stupid considering he was supposed to know the area like the back of his hand, and was the neighborhood watch captain.. He wouldn't be worth a fuck if he didn't know what street he was on.

It's more probable that georgy boy simply spun a web of lies after he realized he'd just killed somebody because he knew he was facing prison time.


And as far as Dee Dee goes for a witness. Every negative thing you guys can come up with about Dee Dee is also true about Zimmerman.. .but you guys treat Zimmerman's story like the gospel of christ despite his being caught lying already and having excessive motivation to lie about anything and everything.

He's 100% coached every step of the way by sleazy lawyers who's jobs it is to get criminals off. If he were innocent he'd state his case under oath and leave absolutely no doubt that what he did was righteous and in self defense.

Yet, you can't site any law that GZ broke by trying to keep an eye on TM.

You do realize that Dee Dee is not who she was made out to be? She's not a 16 year old minor, she's a 18 year old adult. Can't wait to see how her deposition with the defense goes and whether her story changes or has inconsistencies .

 

[Druidx]

He's 100% coached every step of the way by sleazy lawyers who's jobs it is to get criminals off. If he were innocent he'd state his case under oath and leave absolutely no doubt that what he did was righteous and in self defense.

Poor Airdata, still asshurt because he was proven wrong about 5th amendment rights.

 

[Druidx]

Speaking of Deedee, has it came out yet who started the lie she was only 16.
Did she lie when asked? Did the family not know how old she was? Did Crump start the lie to prevent anyone accessing DeeDee and getting the truth?

 

[airdata]

Yet, you can't site any law that GZ broke by trying to keep an eye on TM.

You do realize that Dee Dee is not who she was made out to be? She's not a 16 year old minor, she's a 18 year old adult. Can't wait to see how her deposition with the defense goes and whether her story changes or has inconsistencies .

In other words, nothing I said was wrong. But George Zimmerman didn't break any laws if all he did was ' try to keep an eye on him '.

Same w\ your second statement. You aren't disagreeing, but saying something about her age as if that means anything if she in fact heard the 2 exchange words prior to the confrontation ( which completely goes against Zimmerman's official statement )

If Zimmerman made a false statement to police, that'd be illegal.. since you are so hung up on things being legal or illegal.

 

[airdata]

Speaking of Deedee, has it came out yet who started the lie she was only 16.
Did she lie when asked? Did the family not know how old she was? Did Crump start the lie to prevent anyone accessing DeeDee and getting the truth?

The only person who can give us the truth is George Zimmerman who's being gagged by some sleazy lawyers.

Your statement is speculative... Zimmerman's situation is not. He knows the truth and has people working hard to make sure nobody ever has access to that truth.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In other words, nothing I said was wrong. But George Zimmerman didn't break any laws if all he did was ' try to keep an eye on him '.

Same w\ your second statement. You aren't disagreeing, but saying something about her age as if that means anything if she in fact heard the 2 exchange words prior to the confrontation ( which completely goes against Zimmerman's official statement )

If Zimmerman made a false statement to police, that'd be illegal.. since you are so hung up on things being legal or illegal.

Please site the laws GZ broke by trying to keep an eye on TM.

If Dee Dee or Crump fabricated a story that would also be illegal.

 

[TerryMathews]

The only person who can give us the truth is George Zimmerman who's being gagged by some sleazy lawyers.

Your statement is speculative... Zimmerman's situation is not. He knows the truth and has people working hard to make sure nobody ever has access to that truth.

How would Zimmerman know how old DeeDee is?

 

[airdata]

Please site the laws GZ broke by trying to keep an eye on TM.

The proper word is ' cite '. And why would I cite something like that when I'm not arguing the point that you're trying to argue?

You don't have to do anything illegal to show horrible judgement and decision making skills.

If Dee Dee or Crump fabricated a story that would also be illegal.

Obvious statement is obvious.

 

[TerryMathews]

You don't have to do anything illegal to show horrible judgement and decision making skills.

Wow. I am glad we won you over and now you too believe Zimmerman did nothing illegal they night!

 

[HumblePie]

airdata,

Zimmerman HAS given his statement of what happened UNDER OATH several times. Given it to officers of the law and officers of the court. These are sworn statements that carry massive ramifications if he lied about the content within those statements not being truthful to the best of his knowledge at the time of giving those statements. Why are you so fucking hung up on seeing him on the stand Columbo style? This isn't a show of Perry Mason or Judge Judy. You are completely delusional if you think his story would change at all even if he was on the stand.

The reason he is not on the stand is to not get screwed over by stupid trick or coercive questions. Such as, "So george zimmerman, when was the last time you had an active gay partner." or "George, how many squirrels have you killed in your lifetime."

Lawyers go for strange questions like that and not yes or no questions when they get to put someone on the stand. Again, you have NOT read up on the previous links of people who were COMPLETELY innocent, getting screwed when they are on the stand because the lawyer uses stupid questions to paint the defendant in a less than innocent light. Just make them look bad or stupid enough to make a jury convict. Not that the conviction is the truth, just that the jury got a fast one pulled on them by a fast talking lawyer. It has happened many, many, MANY times.

airdata, George has given his sworn testimony under penalty of oath several times. Most of those times WITHOUT legal representation for himself present. Deal with it.

 

[spidey07]

First of many lawfuits file that will make zimmerman rich.

http://www.tmz.com/

Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman has filed a lawsuit against NBC over the way it edited his 911 call -- placed moments before Martin was shot -- claiming the network falsely made Zimmerman look like a "hostile racist."

You'll recall, NBC launched an internal investigation over the tape after it aired the edited recording -- which made it sound like Zimmerman immediately told police that Martin was black, without being prompted.

Zimmerman accuses NBC of creating a "false and defamatory misimpression using the oldest form of yellow journalism: manipulating Zimmerman's own words, splicing together disparate parts of the recording to create the illusion of statements that Zimmerman never actually made."

He's suing for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress, demanding unspecified damages.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2EJEtqavP

 

[soundforbjt]

First of many lawfuits file that will make zimmerman rich.

http://www.tmz.com/

I'll bet a million he won't go after Fox. They've been far to sympathetic to GZ (see: Hannity).

 

[TerryMathews]

I'll bet a million he won't go after Fox. They've been far to sympathetic to GZ (see: Hannity).

Bet you're wrong, especially if NBC yields well for them.

 

[QueBert]

Some studies show people can experience paranoia and anxiety after smoking weed. Could that be what set off TM?

People who get paranoid from weed usage hide and stay hidden. If this was the case no way in hell he would have ever came out the bushes, well unless Georgie approached him and drug him out. Which is a greater possibility than a dude high on weed and syrup starting to punch someone for no reason. weed + codeine = one of the most mellow, happy people you'd ever come across.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

People who get paranoid from weed usage hide and stay hidden. If this was the case no way in hell he would have ever came out the bushes, well unless Georgie approached him and drug him out. Which is a greater possibility than a dude high on weed and syrup starting to punch someone for no reason. weed + codeine = one of the most mellow, happy people you'd ever come across.

Keep on believing that fantasy in my 54 years of life I've seen things that prove your beliefs wrong.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

People who get paranoid from weed usage hide and stay hidden. If this was the case no way in hell he would have ever came out the bushes, well unless Georgie approached him and drug him out. Which is a greater possibility than a dude high on weed and syrup starting to punch someone for no reason. weed + codeine = one of the most mellow, happy people you'd ever come across.

ROFL


He went to hide to stash his drugs and paraphernalia.

 

[spidey07]

Lol! The new was to describe zimmerman's actions.

Good Suit!

 

[waggy]

The only person who can give us the truth is George Zimmerman who's being gagged by some sleazy lawyers.

Your statement is speculative... Zimmerman's situation is not. He knows the truth and has people working hard to make sure nobody ever has access to that truth.

you quoting him and bashing GZ about telling the truth is rather idiotic. do you not understand why?

I'll bet a million he won't go after Fox. They've been far to sympathetic to GZ (see: Hannity).

you would lose that million too. George pretty much thrown his wife and lawyer under the bus about the perjury and money. so What makes you think he is going to be that loyal to Fox?

 

[echo4747]

People who get paranoid from weed usage hide and stay hidden. If this was the case no way in hell he would have ever came out the bushes, well unless Georgie approached him and drug him out. Which is a greater possibility than a dude high on weed and syrup starting to punch someone for no reason. weed + codeine = one of the most mellow, happy people you'd ever come across.

Not always the case:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...juana-medical-examiner-results_n_1632253.html

 

[spidey07]

Not always the case:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...juana-medical-examiner-results_n_1632253.html

It's not like any of that matters in any way shape or form.

When the attacker breaks your nose, brutally and viciously attacks you, slams your head into concrete multiple times, mounting you as you scream for help = you are WELL within your rights to kill them.

Nothing else really matters, and that's why this is about as clear cut case of self defense as is possible. There really is no question about it at this point.

Next up..."wasn't beaten badly enough"

 

[Geosurface]

I researched pre-Trayvon information on the effects of "purple drank" extensively back when that theory was first floated, and violent behavior is well within known effects.

As for GZ's lawyers being "sleazy" I have watched a lot of cases and as far as defense attorneys go... these are two of the least sleazy I've ever seen. In fact, they're two of the least sleazy of ANY type of lawyer I've seen.

Of course, it helps that they have a clearly innocent client, all the facts, evidence, and law on their side, and in fact the police who investigated it in agreement with them.

In circumstances like that, there's no need to be sleazy.

And I love the fact that airdata is accusing George Zimmerman of hiding behind lawyers and being "gagged" and says "He's 100% coached every step of the way by sleazy lawyers"

Oh yea, airdata? EVERY step of the way?

What about these steps of the way?:

1.) The night of the shooting as he stayed til the morning and reaching the point of utter exhaustion interviewing with detectives, forgoing medical treatment, and answering their every question. No lawyer present.

2.) The next day, when on very little sleep (if any) he returned to the scene of the shooting with detectives and did a walkthrough reenactment with them. This is basically un-fucking-heard of - Still no lawyer present.

3.) Or when he recorded screams for them to compare... still no lawyer present.

4.) How about return interviews numbering at least 3? Still no lawyer present.

5.) How about talking to cops multiple times on the phone whenever they'd call? Still no lawyer.

6.) How about coming in and doing two separate voice stress lie detector tests, both of which he passed? Still no lawyer present.

7.) How about when they specifically went and got another county's prosecutor in order to overrule the real prosecutor who had jurisdiction, and was being stubbornly fixated on the facts and law... and they asked him to drive himself down to Jacksonville, in his own car, to meet with the Grand Inquisitors who'd been rounded up for the express purpose of persecuting him illegally? And he fucking AGREED TO DO SO! STILL NO LAWYER PRESENT! Oh and btw, these fuckers would later go on to lie about trying to arrange said meeting.

Jesus H. Christ, airdata. In the annals of law I DEFY YOU to find a more absurdly cooperative suspect, a more unguarded... guileless... even gullible rube. Yea GZ was a shmuck, and trusted law enforcement and the justice system to see the obvious truth and act accordingly. In a way, his trust paid off. His city's police department did see the truth, and so did his county's prosecutor. They had to reroll until they got someone with low enough morals and scruples to go after him.

And you're going to sit there and paint THIS GUY as "hiding" and not giving his story?

Get the fuck out of here!

 

[airdata]

not always the case:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...juana-medical-examiner-results_n_1632253.html

buahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[airdata]

It's not like any of that matters in any way shape or form.

When the attacker breaks your nose, brutally and viciously attacks you, slams your head into concrete multiple times, mounting you as you scream for help = you are WELL within your rights to kill them.

Nothing else really matters, and that's why this is about as clear cut case of self defense as is possible. There really is no question about it at this point.

Next up..."wasn't beaten badly enough"

Plenty of other things matter, considering we don't even know how the altercation started.

If Zimmerman chased after and attempted to detain a 17 year old kid, and that 17 year old kid defended himself against an attacker, I find it hard to believe any jury would buy his bullshit.

And that scenario is as or more probable than any you have suggested. We're talking about a guy here who's facing a long stint in prison if convicted. He's already shown he's capable of lying and deceiving people. There's a point at which you have to consider that anything zimmerman claims is only stated because he has to explain away all his poor decisions and erratic behavior that night.