Fern
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The girl said she heard "pushing" before the phone went dead, iirc.
Yes, that's correct.
Fern
The girl said she heard "pushing" before the phone went dead, iirc.
ABC News also learns that Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”
The state attorney in Seminole County, Fla., announces that a grand jury will review the evidence of the case on April 10.
March 20: Sanford police department admits to ABC News that investigators missed a possible racist remark by the shooter as he spoke to police dispatchers moments before the killing.
This is true. My wife worked in the courthouse and later for lawyers, and was good friends with the D.A.'s office as well as the defense attorneys. Grand juries see only what the D.A. presents; there is usually no voice for the defense, so a good D.A. can indict pretty much anyone. There are however ethics rules that he violates at his own risk. The D.A.'s testimony is sworn, so he can't lie, but he is the sole arbiter of what is admissible and what is pertinent to the grand jury. That's obviously a huge advantage. The sheriff can also present evidence directly to the grand jury and ask for a true bill, bypassing the D.A.I listen to a talk show hosted by a lawyer who quit the profession in perhaps the last 5 years and his assertion is that a D.A. has a lot of leeway in the evidence presented to a Grand Jury.
I recall that he said a D.A. could get a Grand Jury to indict a block of cheese.
Maybe we can get Don Vito Corleone to confirm or deny.
Did the girlfriend really wait until just recently to tell anyone about what she heard? Seems strange. You would think after hearing the she would be eager to make sure there was justice for her bf. She didin't go to the police right away?
Did the girlfriend really wait until just recently to tell anyone about what she heard? Seems strange. You would think after hearing the she would be eager to make sure there was justice for her bf. She didin't go to the police right away?
I think that a young kid (sorry 6'3 man) walking in a gated community who has a history of break-ins, who makes a point to hide his face when I drive by indicates that he is suspicious - period.
I'm not really sure you're asking, but I'm not 'suggesting' anything.
Are you sure that her parents were so eager for her to go public? who can tell? Maybe her parents wanted her to be quiet and she threatened to go public and reveal her name... can't tell.
It's hard to say, considering the lengths a parent will go to protect a child.
Yeah, I've heard that claim.
If true and that is indeed bad police procedure, sounds more to me like a problem of an incompetent detective, and not necessarily a problem that he was a narcotics detective. Narcotics is tough, it ain't like he would have been an inexperienced meter maid.
I don't why see people act like narco duty is some fluff stuff. They are arresting dealers etc, some of whom are killers and they have to question them etc.
Fern
Did the girlfriend really wait until just recently to tell anyone about what she heard? Seems strange. You would think after hearing the she would be eager to make sure there was justice for her bf. She didin't go to the police right away?
I played football with a boy who was 6'-1" and 120 lbs, who in high school was probably 140 or 150. (And unlike me, he was damned good.) Tall and thin doesn't mean he can't play high school football if he's good and can take a hit, especially in the smaller schools.
Crump, relaying the girl's description of the conversation with Trayvon as the confrontation heats up, says, "She hears other voice, 'What are you doing around here?' Trayvon says, 'Why are you following me?'" At that point, according to the girl, Travyon is pushed and his voice changes.
Or the available evidence points to self defense and the police can't manufacture new evidence in order to prosecute someone and appease the black community?
Did the girlfriend really wait until just recently to tell anyone about what she heard? Seems strange. You would think after hearing the she would be eager to make sure there was justice for her bf. She didin't go to the police right away?
Ah. Surely that's an even lower bar.Except he didn't play high school football, he played youth football(Pop Warner, pre-high school).
If there's a scuffle, the earset would likely fall off, ending the call or possibly only its legibility.http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/unarmed_florida_teen_shot_to_d.html
What I don't quite get.
He's using an iPHone I'm guessing and one of those microphone earbuds.
I'll bet his hands are in the little kangaroo pouch of a hoodie, which Z thought was a gun.
If what she says is true, how is it that the phone call went off when he was shoved?
Ah. Surely that's an even lower bar.
If there's a scuffle, the earset would likely fall off, ending the call or possibly only its legibility.
The girl likely is telling the truth.
Why? Because if she were not telling the truth, she could have blown the entire thing up.
All she would have had to do would be to claim that Z used a racial slur, if she really wanted to lie or affect the investigation. She quoted Z as saying "what are you doing here" which IMO fits in with Z's character. The question is too aggressive, but it is in line with his past history of neighborhood watchman.
I mean, the only way to disconnect an iPhone call is to hit "end call" on the screen. I would have expected her to hear the entire thing, since the headset would have dropped and the call still on.
any lawyers? The girl on the cell phone, I believe her testimony contradicts Z's alibi. Since Z states that he had turned around when M attacked him, while the girl states that the fight started while they were facing each other.
Is this enough to arrest Z?
Dude, you are really speculating here. iPhone? Nowhere is there any mention of the kind of phone. Heck, if it fell out of his hand during the scuffle, did the police even find the phone afterwards? If they did and didn't check it for phone calls/etc, huge problem for the Police oversight of the incident.