Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[tashatexas]

JJohn ain't smashing shit, he has changed his story and never saw a beating nor did he see who was screaming so stfu lol

 

[tashatexas]

The state will eat John's ass up anyway. He HAD to tell them the truth once they showed him that after all he supposedly saw he was one of the last ones to call police. Why? Umm...cause he just saw a tussle in the grass and no beating.

 

[tashatexas]

And to date the defense has found NO ONE that could say that was him. He even tried to duplicate the sound and could not. Now Wtf would the FBI ask for a voice sample if the quality of the 911 tape was poor in the first place? That mofo was not the one screaming.

 

[JKing106]

Tactical advantage.

Ah, your Militia Stormfront buddies are going to help you.

 

[JKing106]

Witness John will smash that as well as trey-trey's father's statements. It will never see a trial, there is zero evidence zimmerman committed a crime. none.

And Rick Perry will be out next President.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Doesn't matter.

You are legally allowed to shoot in self defense when you are on your back, being restrained after being felony assaulted and battered screaming for your life. All of your what if's, and it's still lawful self defense.

He's not getting to convicted and if justice is to be done, it should never, ever even see a jury.

Let 'em riot, oh please just let them riot.

Zimmerman's ass is grass if the independent voice experts are called and can demonstrate their methods work. And standards of evidence can change when new methods are shown to be reliable.

 

[Sephire]

Tactical advantage.

Is this during the LA riots?

 

[spidey07]

Lulz. Then defense just cites the FBI analysis.

Everything proves this was self defense. Everything.

 

[spidey07]

Is this during the LA riots?

Yep. Property owners defending themselves from the hoarde.

Let em riot. A problem that will fix itself.

 

[JKing106]

Lulz. Then defense just cites the FBI analysis.

Everything proves this was self defense. Everything.

In Whitey World, sure.

 

[TerryMathews]

In Whitey World, sure.

String him up, he's guilty. JKing says so, good enough for me.

 

[spidey07]

What I find so ironic, is the trey-trey supporters obviously agree with lynching. Blacks supporting lynching, go figure. Seems they have forgotten or never learned history.

We even had one fucking occupier whacko think invoking the 5th means they're guilty.

 

[airdata]

What I find so ironic, is the trey-trey supporters obviously agree with lynching. Blacks supporting lynching, go figure. Seems they have forgotten or never learned history.

We even had one fucking occupier whacko think invoking the 5th means they're guilty.

LOL... am I that " occupier whacko" ?

You people need to stay consistent. With other issues you'd be saying ' well, if you don't have anything to hide!' but then pertaining to a hypothetical situation here we suddenly have a bunch of constitutionalists who can't comprehend simple logic.

It really can't be more simple. If a person's testimony would incriminate them ( hence they're guilty ) and they choose to plead the 5th, they're simply showing that they're hiding information that would prove their guilt. Honest people would answer any and all questions.

Only thing complicated about the possibility of the 5th in this case is the fact that the whole case relies on his word.

So, in the hypothetical that GZ refused to take the stand or refused to answer questions by pleading the 5th... any of his other testimony would be garbage.


Anybody looking at your last 3-4 posts can tell you're a simple, simple man spidey. And that one post even suggests you're a closet racist, which many dumbasses like yourself are.

 

[airdata]

Originally Posted by Nemesis 1
Why is it that the word black is used in title . To make it a hate crime or racist . What about the 3 black college men who killed the white man . No racism there right . Not a hate crime right. Alot of unbalanced people here.

Were they arrested and prosecuted? If so, there you go.

 

[cybrsage]

Ah, your Militia Stormfront buddies are going to help you.

Ummm...those are Asians. Durrrr......

 

[Geosurface]

Why do bitch ass Zimmerman fans keep saying that was him??? Based on what evidence??? He was not getting his head bashed before the shot was fired so why would HE be screaming? His brother said there was a tussle over the gun so the only person who would be screaming is the one without the gun!

1.) GZ claims it was him screaming, and did so within moments of police/neighbor arrival.

2.) GZ was the one with all the injuries, you have fixated for some reason on the fact that the cement head bashing wasn't immediately prior to the gun shot, because it was earlier into the assault... granted, but that wouldn't have been the only time GZ could possibly fear for his life, or possibly be motivated to scream for help. If you weren't such a blithering idiot with your mind so clouded by bias in this, you'd admit that GZ would've had a damn good reason to scream all the way from first sucker punch to gun going off.

3.) GZ was so completely unguarded and honest with police, so completely naive that the idea cops would question who it was screaming never even crossed his mind. So much so that he even risked admitting that it didn't sound like himself after the fact, to hear it. Of course to his ear it didn't, we all know our voices sound different to us when played back. All the more so when we aren't accustomed to hearing ourselves scream for our lives. Someone who was deliberately trying to claim their "victim's" screams as their own, would not dare risk saying such a thing. Unless they were a level of criminal mastermind that you'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to believe GZ is.

4.) Indeed police did NOT question who it was screaming, in any significant way. Yes, they did ask the respective parents. It's really not that surprising that Trayvon's mother, and later father, would say it was him. What else are they going to say? They're confronted with the loss of their son, they don't want to believe he caused his own death and beat a man for no reason, and now their livelihood depends on sustaining that lie.

Nonetheless, some honesty did slip through before the gates of bias slammed shut. Trayvon's father initially admitted it wasn't him. Zimmerman's father, brother, neighbor at the VERY least have always maintained, unflaggingly, that it is GZ.

5.) It actually is quite clearly GZ's voice if you just listen to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djOTYEvLqz8

6.) Biggest factor of all is just common sense. As witness John said, when you see someone straddling someone else, on top of them, restraining them and beating them... keeping them from getting away, who does logic tell you is screaming for help out of the two people?

When one person has all the injuries, and didn't inflict any (except a bullet wound) on the other person... who does logic tell you was screaming?

When someone had to end up shooting the other person after a struggle, who does logic tell you was screaming? The person who had to shoot the other. It makes more sense than a prolonged struggle for the gun, where it somehow didn't manage to go off for that long... and where neither party mentioned the gun when John came out. Also they didn't find any evidence of Trayvon touching the gun, right?

To believe it was Trayvon screaming you have to sustain a vision of what happened in your mind that ignores all known evidence, and common sense. And as much as you may dislike GZ, are even you crazy enough to think he is such an evil, heartless criminal super villain that he'd shoot someone who screamed like that? Gimme a fuckin' break.

The idea that a drugged up delinquent kid would keep beating a stranger despite his cries makes PLENTY of sense and fits shit we see happen every day. The idea that a mild mannered 28 year old with a wife, house, car and job who knew the police were on their way and his own neighbors were watching out windows... would suddenly decide to off some kid he didn't even know, after that kid had screamed for mercy for a minute?

Tasha you're a fucking idiot.

 

[tashatexas]

Geosurface you balless he-bitch lol.

I lead your effeminate ass TWO to Zero in the 'Who's Voice Is It Anyway" contest. Until someone besides a liar trying to save his ass confirms that was his voice you will continue to look like the retarded ball sniffing.simpleton we all know you are.

Even witnesses have come forward to say they believe it was Tray screaming. But back to the point, they haven't found a single voice expert that is willing to lie and say that was Zimmerthug. Even the janky ass FBI couldn't move themselves to lie and attribute Fat Fucks voice to that of a.dead child. If.Zimmerman doesn't take the stand then you're down to Zero people claiming that was him.

But let the record show that your silly ass is operating on PURE EMOTION as noone corroborated Zimmermans tale yet you believe it in spite of all OBJECTIVE and FACTUAL evidence. The person screaming got shot you retarded muthafucka.

 

[tashatexas]

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=general&catid=57407964&feed_id=999&videofeed=999

 

[tashatexas]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...eams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say?lite

 

[tashatexas]

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02...erman-was-not-screaming-for-help-in-911-call/

 

[tashatexas]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/0...-not-trayvon-martin-shooter-george-zimmerman/

 

[tashatexas]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/46934308

 

[tashatexas]

So why is Geohebitch arguing against expert testimony? Because he is viewing this case on PURE emotion and not objectivity and lack of bias.

I've presented the reasons I believe it was Trayvon, backed by scientific evidence.

Geosurface, you're a fucking idiot.

 

[TerryMathews]

So why is Geohebitch arguing against expert testimony? Because he is viewing this case on PURE emotion and not objectivity and lack of bias.

I've presented the reasons I believe it was Trayvon, backed by scientific evidence.

Geosurface, you're a fucking idiot.

Those tests are not currently admissible, just like the voice stress test.

Maybe those experts will be able to satisfy a Frye hearing and make them admissible. We will see.

 

[Geosurface]

Those experts weighed in during the absolute apex of ignorance re: this case.

They said what the conventional wisdom was, one just by "spit ballin'" it... the other in the act of pimping out his own software which coincidentally hit the market at exactly the same time he gave his "findings"

They both gave their opinion in contravention of their own governing body of standards' guidelines and rules (hmm, you don't like it when GZ disobeys some OTHER NW guidelines that aren't even applicable to his own... but you're okay with voice experts ignoring their guidelines) which state you need 10 comparable WORDS to compare between two samples.

Fact is, comparing screams to a voice is beyond what their field is capable of at this time. Hence why the FBI said a conclusion could not be made. The FBI should be taken a tad bit more seriously than a couple of jokers paid by the Orlando Slantinel to come in and guesstimate that it was probably not GZ... even though they didn't have a sample of Trayvon's (much deeper) voice.

It was very immoral and unprofessional of them to say what they did without having a sample of BOTH parties' voices to compare.

Even if they'd had that, they should have told the Orlando Slantinel that comparing distant screams to a normal speaking voice directly into a phone is not within the scope of their science. I cannot comment on the reliability their work has comparing like samples... it may be very high, I don't know. I'm skeptical of the whole science.

But what I do know is, they didn't have the information or type of samples they needed to make the comparison. They knew this, and did it anyway, because they knew it was a great opportunity to drum up publicity and business. They played it safe and told people what they already thought and wanted to hear, with a little bit of ass covering thrown in for good measure... "can't say who it is but it definitely ain't GZ!"

lol

this was before John's testimony was widely known, and before the injury photos came out. Before people knew Trayvon had no injuries... and that he was a huge 6'3" thug.

Those "voice experts" would have NEVER said the same thing they did if all that information had been out at that time, and you can bet your ass on that.

Oh and last we heard from Tom Owen, et al... the Martin family was going to be sending them a sample of Trayvon's voice and they were going to get back to us with those results... gee, it's sure been a while! I wonder why we haven't heard anything... gee whiz!

This shit is a joke. The other expert who just sorta listened and spit balled it, largely reached his "conclusion" based on assumption about Trayvon's age and how his voice would sound, we now KNOW that Trayvon had a much deeper voice that GZ. We've heard it, albeit briefly, on the 7-11 tape.

It WAS George Zimmerman screaming. There is no doubt in any informed and logical mind as to this fact.

One of the great tragedies, among many, in this case, is that the general populace may never come to understand that it was GZ screaming. I wish there WERE a test that could reliably prove who it was.