Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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  1. Capt Caveman

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    Zimmerman grabbing Martin to stop him from running. Assault.
     
  2. micrometers

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    pay attention. only a provable criminal act by Z can invalidate SYG and lead to an arrest. the chase is not a criminal act and so does not invalidate SYG
     
  3. micrometers

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    Nothing. But there are people asking, "where are Z's injuries" and that's the answer. HE prevented serious injury in firing the gun.
     
  4. micrometers

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    I thought that was likely but there's no evidence. It is possible.
     
  5. airdata

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    Exactly.

    You have offense and defense. The killer was clearly the offensive party since he was stalking the victim and initiating the confrontation even after he was told by law enforcement to stay away.
     
  6. Pens1566

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    You need to pay attention to what conversation you're addressing/quoting. The current quote chain between us has nothing to do with how you're responding. Go back and check.
     
  7. micrometers

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    stalking is a pattern of behavior over a length of time. This all happened within 30 minutes.
     
  8. spidey07

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    What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
     
  9. airdata

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    Stalking is a commonly used term accurately describing what the killer was doing. He was stalking his victim. He called the police and failed to stay in his car despite them telling him to do so. He then killed a child.
     
  10. spidey07

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    He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
     
  11. Capt Caveman

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    As much credibility as anyone else that has discussed the situation:

     
  12. micrometers

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    Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
     
  13. Phokus

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    Edit: Timewarp
     
  14. Pens1566

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    That is a mighty fine hair you're trying to split with chase/follow.

    911 call from Zimmerman. He gets out of his car on his own, is noticeably winded shortly thereafter. Admits to the dispatcher that he is running after Martin.

    Martin call to girlfriend, she suggests he run from him. Martin says I'll walk fast away.

    Shooting happened a distance away from Zimmerman's car. You do the math.
     
  15. HomerJS

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    He told police I'm going after him followed by heavy breathing.

    Do you think Z just decided to break out his Darth Vader imitation for the cops??
     
  16. Phokus

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    Hey spidey, you racist little shit, you probably missed this last night but even the two GOP douchenozzles who cosponsored the Stand your ground law think Zimmerman should be arrested and immunity revoked:

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
     
  17. waggy

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    what? that's retarded..
     
  18. Pens1566

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    So the dispatcher telling him not to follow Martin on the 911 call is "making this shit up"??? I want to know what hallucinogens you're on.
     
  19. HomerJS

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    Except T wasn't doing anything suspicious. We have proof T felt his life was being threatened.
     
  20. micrometers

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    think about it some more. pretend that you don't know how this all ended. the big picture is that him following/chasing after T to the backyard is not a crime that invalidates SYG.
     
  21. micrometers

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    suspicions often prove to be mistaken. Being suspicious of someone is not criminal.
     
  22. werepossum

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    lol +1
     
  23. micrometers

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    hypotehtical: you drop your wallet. Good samaritan picks up your wallet and chases after you to return it. You are afraid of him, so you run away.

    Is he guilty of a crime?
     
  24. nonlnear

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    A 911 dispatcher is not law enforcement.
     
  25. WHAMPOM

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    You channeling again? Must be great to be in touch with the other side.