Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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  1. HomerJS

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    Drug/alcohol test is a big fucking deal if it shows Z was impaired in any way. If the police were even handed in the investigation why did they test T? Were they looking for something on him only???

    ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!
     
  2. HomerJS

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    and I guess that heavy breathing means he wasen't running after T, chasing him???
     
  3. micrometers

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    the whole point of self-defense is to stop a potential savage beating.
     
  4. Capt Caveman

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    His 911 call. He gets out of his car to pursue Martin who is running away from him. Stop posting crap.
     
  5. WHAMPOM

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    A dead teenager with Zimmerman standing nearby in a backyard as reported by those lying cops?
     
  6. micrometers

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    events leading up show that he likely was not impaired.

    They did ballistics tests. LIkely tried to calculate entry wounds and number of shots fired. That is substantially most important.
     
  7. HomerJS

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    The point of self defense is preventing harm whether a beeating or being stalked by a creepy stranger.
     
  8. spidey07

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    Follow or keep an eye on does not equal chase. Stop posting lies.
     
  9. micrometers

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    well, the question is this: is such an act a crime? The answer AFAIKT is no.

    at that point:

    He did not threaten Trayvon with deadly force (i.e. point a gun at him)

    did not yell anything threatening to Trayvon (i.e. I"m going to kill you)
     
  10. waggy

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    from what i read its standard procedure to test if someone has died. BUT it is not procedure to test the shooter unless they are arrested.

    personally i don't mind if both parties are tested.
     
  11. Pens1566

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    1) I didn't mention profiling at all. Just that all the pro-Zimmerman posters were certain that he couldn't possibly be able to tell that Martin was black. Proven false by 911 call.

    2) Didn't suggest it was criminal at all. Just that all the pro-Zimmerman posters were certain that he didn't follow him on foot and even went so far as to suggest he was pulled from the car by Martin. Proven false by 911 call.
     
  12. micrometers

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    this is about an earlier point of someone asking why Zimmerman didn't have more serious injuries.

    I agree that if T had managed to get the gun out of Z's hands and shoot him, he would have been justified.
     
  13. micrometers

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    Not me. And that was early on before all the facts were out.
     
  14. spidey07

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    You don't get to use force on somebody not committing a crime like being followed by a NW who has every legal reason to be there.

    You do get to use force when somebody is assaulting you (martin assaulting zimmerman is a felony).
     
  15. HomerJS

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    Then why was T tested and not Z? What events lead police to believe T was impaired??

    If Z was impaired it would make its importance comparable to the ballistics test. If Z was impaired it could have made him paranoid about a completely innocent person walking down the street.
     
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    Holy shit. He admitted it on the call. Heavy breathing. Stop being dense. It only fuels the caricature.
     
  17. Pens1566

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    Great, good for you. The point stands then. Once these two points were dismissed as incorrect, the goalposts moved. Like I pointed out originally.
     
  18. HomerJS

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    stalking is against the law. T felt his life was in danger and had the right to self defense. Phone call to girlfriend confirms.

     
  19. micrometers

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    a chase is not a criminal act under the law. ONly a provable criminal act leading up to the shooting can be grounds for invalidating "stand your ground"
     
  20. Pens1566

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    I bet I (and most posters here) know why you won't apply that logic to the parties in reverse.
     
  21. micrometers

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    I'm not talking about pro-Z posters. I'm talking about the Sanford PD's credibility. pay attention.
     
  22. Pens1566

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    Again with the "criminal act" strawman. I'm not claiming that it was. Merely that Zimmerman did in fact get out of his own car and chase Martin.
     
  23. WHAMPOM

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    Which has got what to do with spidey's delusions?
     
  24. Pens1566

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    Are you suggesting they didn't have access to their own 911 tape?
     
  25. Londo_Jowo

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    I'm going to post this one more time..

    http://communities.washingtontimes....mar/20/trayvon-martin-case-and-legal-experts/