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who said it was a defense? It is an explanation, however.
An explanation as to why he's a murderous sociopath? I agree!
who said it was a defense? It is an explanation, however.
The Florida police department handling the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teen by a self-appointed neighborhood watch leader admitted to ABC News tonight that investigators missed a possible racist remark by the shooter as he spoke to police dispatchers moments before the killing.
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On a tape of one of Zimmerman's 911 calls the night of the shooting, he is heard saying under his breath what sounds like "f**ing coons." Seconds later he confronted Martin and after a brief scuffle shot him dead.
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It's the latest in a series of possible police missteps uncovered by ABC News.
The Sanford Police Department has come under withering criticism for failing to reach out to Martin's girlfriend, who was talking to the teen on his cell phone and heard the altercation with Zimmerman take place.
Among other issues, police have been criticized for:
Withholding a batch of telling 911 calls, including the one revealing Zimmerman's possible racist remark.
Sending a narcotics detective to the scene, instead of a homicide detective, as is typical for homicides.
And failing to administer a drug and alcohol test to Zimmerman that night, which homicide investigator Rod Wheeler called a "fatal flaw in the investigation."
"The fact that Mr. Zimmerman was not given a toxicology test or breathalyzer examination is huge. Very huge," Wheeler said. He also wondered why Zimmerman's vehicle was not investigated or impounded.
The Sanford Police Department says it stands by its investigation, and that it was not race or incompetence that prevented it from arresting Zimmerman but the law.
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An explanation as to why he's a murderous sociopath? I agree!
What about an interrogation of Zimmerman? Why wasn't he taken back to the station and made to go over his story over and over again to see if any inconsistencies popped up? Why wasn't he told that eyewitnesses accounts contradicted his story and given the chance to change it?
This is routine stuff when someone is a suspect in a serious crime. I think people are upset not because of one or two procedures that were missed, but because from the very beginning Zimmerman was treated more like a witness than a suspect.
You think if the cops had shown up and Martin was the one with a scraped up head and Zimmerman had a hole in his chest, the cops would have just asked Martin a few leading questions and let him go? Bull fucking shit.
Do you have evidence or proof that Z started the fight? Wounds to Martin that would show this? I think this is the main problem with people making this story up in their head - there is ZERO proof that Z initiated physical contact or the fight.
Are you saying that if Martin did initiate they fight/assault then Zimmerman was justified in shooting as he was on his back being beaten and crying for help?
As soon as Zimmerman got out of the car, he initiated that Martin needed to defend himself. If Martin had had a gun according to the idiot law, he would have been well within his rights to blast away.
Stupid macho wild west laws promoted by the NRA and ALEC.
You honestly think they wouldn't able to smell alcohol on his breath or notice a staggering gait? They took him into custody and interviewed him at the police station.
Do you have evidence that he assaulted Martin?
Do you have evidence he didn't? He could've grabbed him trying to detain him, no marks left, but it's still an attempt to restrain.
Doesn't matter, you still test him. Could have also been high, etc.
Based on the how poorly the investigation was done, you think these cops were observant? :biggrin:
Do you have evidence or proof that Z started the fight? Wounds to Martin that would show this? I think this is the main problem with people making this story up in their head - there is ZERO proof that Z initiated physical contact or the fight.
Are you saying that if Martin did initiate they fight/assault then Zimmerman was justified in shooting as he was on his back being beaten and crying for help?
I never said anything wasn't important. I just meant that it doesn't take much to ship a box of evidence to the lab and wait for a report.that's not true. I think knowing how many shots were fired is very important.
Do you have evidence or proof that Z started the fight? Wounds to Martin that would show this? I think this is the main problem with people making this story up in their head - there is ZERO proof that Z initiated physical contact or the fight.
Are you saying that if Martin did initiate they fight/assault then Zimmerman was justified in shooting as he was on his back being beaten and crying for help?
Not if he's drinking vodka, you can't smell vodka on breath.
I never said anything wasn't important. I just said that it doesn't take much to ship a box of evidence to the lab and wait for a report.
Do you have evidence he didn't? He could've grabbed him trying to detain him, no marks left, but it's still an attempt to restrain.
Doesn't matter, you still test him. Could have also been high, etc.
Based on the how poorly the investigation was done, you think these cops were observant? :biggrin:
Mr. Zimmerman was not tested for drugs or alcohol. Trayvon Martin was.
Except for DUIs, police cannot test suspects for drugs or alcohol, unless the accused demands or consents to it, or they get a warrant. Trayvon Martin was tested for drugs and alcohol because it is the normal procedure of autopsies to determine the exact cause of death or contributing factors of death. The so-called law enforcement and legal experts who claim Zimmerman should have been tested demonstrate they have no expertise. As stated before, they are carnival barkers.
Yes, but ballistics tests are likely a standard requirement whenever shots are fired. A drug test that isn't a default requirement would mean an investigating officer chose to do more work than required.isn't that what a drug test is? ship a cup of urine or a hair sample?
Well said.This article - http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin...eals-possible-racial-005007672--abc-news.html - does a nice job of discussing the infirmities in the way the police conducted this investigation:
What I find so frustrating is that the "stand your ground" defense is highly fact-specific, particularly where, as here, it appears Mr. Zimmerman's actions led directly to the apparent scuffle and shooting. He cannot, as spidey seems to think, just wave the self-defense banner and be immune from prosecution or suit - the facts are what decides that. Here, the investigation appears to have been so badly handled that it has likely spoiled any opportunity to get to the heart of what actually happened, making it very tough to prove Mr. Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I do hope and believe he will be civilly sued into the ground, however.
There's no evidence in this case that shows who started the fight. What is known and verified by an eye witness is that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him just prior to the gun shot.
LMAO!!! Only a drunk would believe this. A sober person can smell vodka or gin on someone's breath.
Yes, but ballistics tests are likely a standard requirement whenever shots are fired. A drug test that isn't a default requirement would mean an investigating officer chose to do more work than required.
I tend to think that he's an ordinary guy who fucked up grandly and should serve as a warning to any wanna-be vigilante gun owners. If he's a murderous sociopath, then your neighbor who is into guns won't learn anything.
