Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Phokus

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LOLZ is hilarious we have more bloodthirsty members in here than Sean hannity's forums.

Shows you how sociopathic racist shitheads like spidey are when even fucking HANNITY FORUM POSTERS are taken aback by Zimmerman's actions.
 

Ninjahedge

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When a murderer looks at another guy and says "That was cruel man", you gotta take notice.....

Wow, I think this is one of the fastest growing threads I have seen here!
 

Capt Caveman

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Along with Zimmerman, I hope the Sanford Police get penalized for their mishandling of the case.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-marti...eals-possible-racial-005007672--abc-news.html

The Florida police department handling the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teen by a self-appointed neighborhood watch leader admitted to ABC News tonight that investigators missed a possible racist remark by the shooter as he spoke to police dispatchers moments before the killing.

It's the latest in a series of possible police missteps uncovered by ABC News.

The Sanford Police Department has come under withering criticism for failing to reach out to Martin's girlfriend, who was talking to the teen on his cell phone and heard the altercation with Zimmerman take place.

Sending a narcotics detective to the scene, instead of a homicide detective, as is typical for homicides.

And failing to administer a drug and alcohol test to Zimmerman that night, which homicide investigator Rod Wheeler called a "fatal flaw in the investigation."

"The fact that Mr. Zimmerman was not given a toxicology test or breathalyzer examination is huge. Very huge," Wheeler said. He also wondered why Zimmerman's vehicle was not investigated or impounded.
 

Bitek

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If he misinterprets a lot of shit, it might be safe to think he misinterpreted his "reasonable threat of bodily harm/imminent danger" now isn't it???

Is that the "Not Guilty by Reason of Stupidity" defense?
 

waggy

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Many including myself have said all along, Zimmerman had no legal right to chase and hunt this kid down. The only victim here is Martin. And the only person who had a legal right to defend himself at that point was Martin.

sad part is thanks to a badly written law Z is 100% within his legal limits to do what he did. he has the right to carry teh gun (wich i agree with) he had the right to fallow the kid (witch as watch i understand). hell he even had the right to confront the kid (wich he should NOT have done).

Even when a scared kid runs he chases him and confrunts him. when Z gets his ass handed to him he even has the right to shoot him!

the law is on his side. witch really really sucks. he should be in jail for murder. but this badly written law is going to get the fucker off.


Most states have in the law if you start the confratation you can't use the law to shoot them. Also I would think going out of your way to start a fight with them to shoot them would be against the law (witch might be the way they nail him. at least i hope he gets it)

they need to change the law. its a badly written paice of shit. BUT i agree with the idea of "castle" type laws and stand your ground. but they need common sense built into them.
 

micrometers

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Londo_Jowo

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I can't wait until all the real evidence and testimony in this case is released. I don't trust 90% of what' being reported by the media. I wouldn't be surprised if the narcotic's detective just happened to be the closest police officer to the scene when the call went out.
 

Capt Caveman

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This is why I can't really blame the Sanford police for any number of missteps. Heck, they likely opposed the law, but it really is tying their hands.

Not sure if serious. No matter what the law is, they still had to follow standard procedures, just about none were followed.
 

Bitek

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Didn't FL pass the law where you had to be drug tested to get unemployment checks? So people who lose thier jobs get tested, but those who shoot children don't?

Also, you have to be 21 to get a CC, so legally T had no weapons other than his fists to defend himself from a stalker, but the stalker gets to shoot juveniles who.try to.fight back?

How did anyone defend this? Wtf are you advocating?
 

micrometers

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Not sure if serious. No matter what the law is, they still had to follow standard procedures, just about none were followed.

Sure, I'm serious. As someone else said, PD's across Florida pretty much stop investigating once self-defense is invoked since they aren't allowed to even send it to trial.
 

werepossum

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Yeah, I would agree with all of the above. I find it particularly offensive that some posters here seem inclined to vilify Trayvon Martin and talk glibly about a "good shoot." If the discourse on both sides of this issue were reasonable and even-handed (and I fully admit my own has not consistently been), this thread would be one tenth the size.

I will say, however, that it appears the police handled this matter in a less-than-ideal way, which not only encourages conspiracy theorists with respect to their investigation and also jeopardizes the odds this matter will ever be satisfactorily resolved.
Agreed. It's particularly egregious that they failed to do blood work on Zimmerman. I don't necessarily think the police are in any kind of conspiracy, but you're absolutely correct that when they botch the initial investigation, it's even more difficult than usual to satisfy everyone.

I'd say one reason there's so much vitriol on this subject is that IF Zimmerman is telling the truth, his own actions were probably legal but entirely unreasonable whereas Martin's actions were probably illegal but entirely reasonable. How many people wouldn't resort to violence if they are being stalked for no apparent reason? So IF Zimmerman's story holds up, reasonable people will probably conclude that he was totally at fault morally but not legally at fault. That just goes completely against our ingrained sense of justice and is good justification to tighten up Florida's Concealed Carry law. I'd bet money that Zimmerman loses the civil suit though; he might not have broken any laws (IF his story holds up) but he completely caused the whole situation. Were I on a civil jury, I'd take his ass to the cleaners.
 

waggy

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Sure, I'm serious. As someone else said, PD's across Florida pretty much stop investigating once self-defense is invoked since they aren't allowed to even send it to trial.

it's a badly written law. only "good" thing to come out of it is perhaps they will re-write it to add measures to stop this silly shit.
 

HomerJS

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This is why I can't really blame the Sanford police for any number of missteps. Heck, they likely opposed the law, but it really is tying their hands.

In no way does the law excuse them lying about the contents of the 911 tape, not testing Z for drugs/alcohol and a host of other things.
 

spidey07

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it's a badly written law. only "good" thing to come out of it is perhaps they will re-write it to add measures to stop this silly shit.

Many states have the same law as applied here. When you are viciously attacked you are allowed to use deadly force and can't be held criminally or civilly liable.

Zimmerman committed no crime in approaching or asking Martin. Martin did however commit felony assault.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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I'd bet money that Zimmerman loses the civil suit though; he might not have broken any laws (IF his story holds up) but he completely caused the whole situation. Were I on a civil jury, I'd take his ass to the cleaners.

The only problem with that is unless his self-defense claim is refuted according to the law he has immunity from criminal prosecution and civil actions.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/03/20/floridas-self-defense-law-complicates-shooting-teenager

The law includes a provision that grants "immunity" from prosecution or civil lawsuits if a person is deemed to have acted in self-defense, though lawmakers did not clearly specify exactly who bestows the immunity.
 

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micrometers

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In no way does the law excuse them lying about the contents of the 911 tape, not testing Z for drugs/alcohol and a host of other things.

it set up a pattern where self-defense claims result in such a high standard that most of them aren't even sent to trial. This had the effect of the PD realizing that there was little they could do, which IMO is why they didn't pursue the investigation with the zealousness it deserved. I mean, the "self-defense" claim is just a big "I can't win" for a PD.

Another outrage: can't even take away Zimmerman's gun.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...aled-carry-permit-of-trayvon-martins-sho.html

and lawyers at Justice do not think a hate crime charge is likely.

http://live.washingtonpost.com/bradley-hirschfield-120321.html
 

Ninjahedge

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it's a badly written law. only "good" thing to come out of it is perhaps they will re-write it to add measures to stop this silly shit.

Great thing to have written on your tombstone as one of your life's achievements, eh?
 

Ninjahedge

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Karmy, in regards to the "pattern".

You would think that they would test these guys every time, as that is probably the only way around this law (intoxication).

Hell, they could AT LEAST get him on DUI.
 

CitizenKain

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Many states have the same law as applied here. When you are viciously attacked you are allowed to use deadly force and can't be held criminally or civilly liable.

Zimmerman committed no crime in approaching or asking Martin. Martin did however commit felony assault.

He did commit a crime when he assaulted Martin.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Karmy, in regards to the "pattern".

You would think that they would test these guys every time, as that is probably the only way around this law (intoxication).

Hell, they could AT LEAST get him on DUI.

You honestly think they wouldn't able to smell alcohol on his breath or notice a staggering gait? They took him into custody and interviewed him at the police station.