Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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micrometers

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furthermore, what annoys me about Mary Cutcher's media appearances is that:

1. She states that she knows with certainty who shot who when by her own statement she can't have known but is only guessing and

2. she paints a picture of the police covering it up because they don't take her seriously in her guess as to who killed who.

This ends up painting an inaccurate picture of a police cover-up and inflaming the situation.
 

soundforbjt

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The problem I have with Mary Cutcher is her story keeps evolving and it's clear she wants to be contacted by the media now when she first did not want to be involved. I am sure she is thinking book deal or to do the talk show circuit.

I heard the cops blew her off initially.
 

alkemyst

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furthermore, what annoys me about Mary Cutcher's media appearances is that:

1. She states that she knows with certainty who shot who when by her own statement she can't have known but is only guessing and

2. she paints a picture of the police covering it up because they don't take her seriously in her guess as to who killed who.

This ends up painting an inaccurate picture of a police cover-up and inflaming the situation.

There is video of her going on record she knows absolutely as does EVERYONE in that neighborhood as well that it was NOT self defense.

Most have discredited her except those loving stirring the pot.
 

micrometers

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I listened to the kid and I thought he said that he briefly saw the two men, then his dog went off the leash and he heard the gunshot. So he didn't see much.
 

alkemyst

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I heard the cops blew her off initially.

it's he said/she said. They say she didn't want to cooperate. She is saying they didn't want to hear her persecuting Zimmerman for killing that kid.

It's also rumored Zimmerman caused her some grief in the past perhaps in one of his 911 calls.
 

alkemyst

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Why the fuck are you even speculating that the kid was doing drugs?

because Zimmerman made that claim until the drug test was done you couldn't have known otherwise either.

At the same time, him being on drugs wouldn't have made killing him anymore right or wrong with what we know so far.
 

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Now let us get it straight, George follows Treyvan on his way back from the store, spooks the kid into running, gets out of his truck and runs after him, gets into a scuffle in someone's backyard, gets a bloody nose, former bouncer fears for his life, screams "HELP!" like a girl, shoots Treyvan dead. Some people consider this a "good" shoot?
 

alkemyst

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sort of a funny, but on one of the whole 'fucking my excellent compatriot' pages (I have been trying to find it).

A paraphrase: One of the blind Zimmerman defenders posted that because Zimmerman was outside and running, these fucking coons was referring to all the raccoons they have in Florida. He probably had to jump one or two chasing after Martin.

Now that is getting creative. I loled.
 

alkemyst

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Now let us get it straight, George follows Treyvan on his way back from the store, spooks the kid into running, gets out of his truck and runs after him, gets into a scuffle in someone's backyard, gets a bloody nose, former bouncer fears for his life, screams "HELP!" like a girl, shoots Treyvan dead. Some people consider this a "good" shoot?

you don't have it straight, start over.
 

micrometers

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Nope, he stated he saw both men on the ground but separated.

Momentarily. Other people seemed to have had a better view.

This does change how I view the fight though. Previously I had thought that T had pinned Z to the ground and punched him for a minute straight, but there seems to have been more of a back and forth. I wonder why no one has released an injury breakdown.
 

alkemyst

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The child that saw the two men, also was young and his dad is claiming since he was black he is now too traumatized to go outside in the neighborhood and the child feels guilty he didn't run and try and help Martin. He was on the radio yesterday morning.

While I have no doubt the little boy witnessed things and is scared the dad was clearing doing the poster boy deal.
 

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You know, at this point I think that they should just arrest Zimmerman and put him on trial. His defense might try to invoke the immunity clause and the judge might reject it, which is worth a shot.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/20/opinion/toobin-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Interesting.

Apparently the number of these justified homicides specifically outlined in the "Stand Your Ground" law have increased by 300% since it was passed.

Another case under litigation in Florida highlights the effect of the law. In September 2010, David James was playing basketball with his 8-year-old daughter on an outdoor court in Valrico. A boy was skateboarding on the court at the same time, and Trevor Dooley, a man who lived in the area, told the boy he shouldn't be skateboarding there. James stood up for the boy, and he and Dooley had a confrontation.
Dooley was carrying a gun and wound up shooting James dead. Dooley asserted that he felt threatened by James, and has asked that the case be dismissed before trial under the "stand your ground" law. (The judge will soon make a ruling.)

the law is disgusting. It forbids even taking the shooter to trial.

This is the real villain. Not the Sanford PD.
 

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the law is disgusting. It forbids even taking the shooter to trial.

This is the real villain. Not the Sanford PD.

Exactly alot of police departments don't want to get involved when the "killer" utters self defence. I'm sure Zimmerman knew this and that's why he "claimed" self defence.
 

micrometers

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Exactly alot of police departments don't want to get involved when the "killer" utters self defence. I'm sure Zimmerman knew this and that's why he "claimed" self defence.

I've been making this argument all along. I kind of realized that really I'm defending the PD mainly, and definitely not Zimmerman, and explaining the ambiguities of evidence and witnesses in why the PD has not arrested him. It's not because the PD is this racist organization, but rather because of this stupid law and the precedent that it has set in the state.
 

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But the Sanford police has had their share of racially charged problems in the past, so they're no saints in my book.
 

micrometers

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But the Sanford police has had their share of racially charged problems in the past, so they're no saints in my book.

They have a communications problem and they were incredibly callous with Martin's family IMO. But on the fundamentally it does appear that they did do a good job considering the limited eyewitnesses.
 

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Z is guilty of murder due to racial profiling because...

When the 911 call was made T was doing nothing to indicate suspicious behavior. T was walking in a hoodie with his head covered. The only identifiable feature Z could id was T is black. At that point it could have been one of the people from the neighborhood. He wasn't quite sure since he probably only saw his hands. Thinking T was maybe black was enough of a reason for him to call 911.

Later in the call he positively identified T as black when T turned towards him. At that moment I'm assuming T in the mind of Z is an black male not from the neighborhood.

Being an unknown possible black person was enough for Z to call 911. Definately being a black male non resident was enough of a reason for Z to get out of his car against the wishes of township authorities chase T and kill him.

Z didn't even take in to account that T could be a visitor not that I would expect such from a responsible townwatch person.

All of Z's actions were strictly based on the race of T. I also say that based on what I call the Kate Upton defense. If T had been some hot white chick in Z's mind no way some hot white chick even if I don't know her could possibly be guilty of any crime.
 

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They have a communications problem and they were incredibly callous with Martin's family IMO. But on the fundamentally it does appear that they did do a good job considering the limited eyewitnesses.

I'm talking further in their past. Not just this incident.

The former chief was fired and Lee has had his share of problems as well as other officers, including the one that "interviewed" Zimmerman.
 
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HomerJS

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They have a communications problem and they were incredibly callous with Martin's family IMO. But on the fundamentally it does appear that they did do a good job considering the limited eyewitnesses.

Doing a blood/alcohol test on T and not one on Z doesn't sound like a PD attempting to get all the evidence.
 

micrometers

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Doing a blood/alcohol test on T and not one on Z doesn't sound like a PD attempting to get all the evidence.

Well, that's dwelling on a 1% thing. Would a drug test really change what we know? I hope you're glad that when they arrived they put Zimmerman at gunpoint. I am.