Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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spidey07

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Wonder if Martin in his attack struck zimmerman to the head with his bottle/can of tea. That's clearly cause for grave bodily harm or death from a single blow.
 

cybrsage

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Martin was 6'8" and 140lbs... by your accounts, Zimmerman is 5'8" and 250 lbs. You gotta be kidding me.

Martin was obviously a habitual drug user to be that thin while that tall...and Zimmerman is obviously a habitual twinkie user to be that short and that heavy...
 

soundforbjt

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I've avoided the 911 calls, but Cenk Ugyer just had a segment showing one of the calls had Zimmerman appearing to say 'F****** coons' about Martin when chasing him.

Yeah, nothing racist about that is there? Just ask the people cheering Zimmerman, they'll tell you.
 

OCNewbie

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I've avoided the 911 calls, but Cenk Ugyer just had a segment showing one of the calls had Zimmerman appearing to say 'F****** coons' about Martin when chasing him.

I just listened to it, and I think he's saying "these f**king punks"
 

Craig234

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Wonder if Martin in his attack struck zimmerman to the head with his bottle/can of tea. That's clearly cause for grave bodily harm or death from a single blow.

Which is perfectly legal as self-defense from the guy chasing him.

I don't know if you know this, but there's no duty to retreat in Florida.
 

Fern

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And later in the call he did. And Chief Lee knew that when asked and lied about it. It came out when they released the calls.

Geez man.

We've all read this crap 100 times.

Zimmerman didn't know when he initially called 911. THE FRICKIN POINT BEING HE DIDN'T CALL 911 (SOLEY) BECAUSE MARTIN WAS BLACK.

Later in the call Zimmerman confirms Martin was Black. Since at the time Zimmerman was following Martin it seems he got a better look at him. Perhaps he even moved his vehicle closer or turned on his high beams.

You are acting like the Chief said Zimmerman did not know Martin was Black when he shot him.

Fern
 

Capt Caveman

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To be honest I would not mind if someone was looking out for me and my apt, and if someone is walking around, head covered by a hoodie, and appears to be casing apts, I don't see why a neighborhood watch person should not be able to approach him and ask him if he lives there.

I understand that it was a misunderstanding, but it seems that Tray had the opportunity to explain himself and possibly chose another option.

And if I was a black home owner, I would be terrified that this self-appointed neighborhood watch individual was racially profiling and pursuing children.

The HOA of this gated community better have some good insurance after killing a kid with skittles.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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And if I was a black home owner, I would be terrified that this self-appointed neighborhood watch individual was racially profiling and pursuing children.

there was no racial profiling.

Also if you were spanish or white, are you saying that's ok? WTF?!!
 

RedString

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Once again, do any of you Zimmerman nuts have reports of anything more than a busted nose and unknown amount of blood on back of head?



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OCNewbie

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Once again, do any of you Zimmerman nuts have reports of anything more than a busted nose and unknown amount of blood on back of head?

I suppose you're talking to me. Just that I've read, though I can't honestly say it was a reliable source (as I don't remember where I read it) that he also had scratches, abrasions, or scuff marks on his face as well as the bloody nose and bleeding from back of head.
 

Capt Caveman

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Lee said no proof of racial profiling, and the tape confirms that. Zimmerman only discovered his race AFTER the call when Martin approached him and looked at him.

Let's stick to the facts, and not this made up shit, OK? Suspicious behavior is still suspicious regardless of race (which zimmerman obviously didn't know until martin got closer/approached him).

Those tapes prove the facts line up with zimmerman's story/account. Along with all the other evidence as well.

The tape confirms that he was racially profiling Martin. When asked what his race was, Zimmerman says I think he's black or hispanic and shortly confirms that he's black. You think if the kid was white, he would have made his 'these assholes always get aways' statement?

Why do you think members of congress are asking the DoJ to investigate this as a hate crime? Why does the sponsor of this law that Zimmerman is hiding behind, say that it shouldn't apply to Zimmerman?
 

alkemyst

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Yeah, nothing racist about that is there? Just ask the people cheering Zimmerman, they'll tell you.

No that statement is clearly racist and was not what Zimmerman said. Nor did the dispatch say "Sir, you don't need to call him that". These are all fabrications and there are a lot of edited tapes circulating.

Also the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that" when he was going to pursue. They never said 'NOT' too.

I think it's funny when that transvestite got beat down on here and people were defending the two women that assaulted them. Now we have an opposite situation and people are cheering for the victim.

It's clear people here want to form an opinion without facts and simply try to persecute the person that could be in the right.
 

Fern

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People keep talking about the "No Retreat" thing.

Perhaps it's a technical point, but I think that's off base.

If it was Zimmerman on his back being pummeled, retreat is not an option. You can't retreat from that position. Retreat would come into play if Martin approached Zimmerman and threatened him. If retreat was required, as it is in my state, Zimmerman would be compelled by law to try to retreat before being able to legally pull/use his gun in self-defense.

Even in my state, and provided you didn't provoke the confrontation, where retreat is required if you're on your back being (sufficiently) beaten you can shot in self defense.

We don't have evidence that Martin approached Zimmerman and threatened him.

Fern
 

soundforbjt

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Geez man.

We've all read this crap 100 times.

Zimmerman didn't know when he initially called 911. THE FRICKIN POINT BEING HE DIDN'T CALL 911 (SOLEY) BECAUSE MARTIN WAS BLACK.

Later in the call Zimmerman confirms Martin was Black. Since at the time Zimmerman was following Martin it seems he got a better look at him. Perhaps he even moved his vehicle closer or turned on his high beams.

You are acting like the Chief said Zimmerman did not know Martin was Black when he shot him.

Fern

Geez yourself, where have I said that?

In an interview this week with the Miami Herald, Police Chief Bill Lee said the 911 calls would prove the incident was not a case of racial profiling, because when asked whether the suspect was white or black, Zimmerman did not know. However the recording clearly shows that when asked, Zimmerman said, “He looks black.” And then a few moments later, “He’s a black male.”
 
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alkemyst

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The tape confirms that he was racially profiling Martin. When asked what his race was, Zimmerman says I think he's black or hispanic and shortly confirms that he's black. You think if the kid was white, he would have made his 'these assholes always get aways' statement?

Why do you think members of congress are asking the DoJ to investigate this as a hate crime? Why does the sponsor of this law that Zimmerman is hiding behind, say that it shouldn't apply to Zimmerman?

He first says he doesn't know, then he say the kid stopped and turned towards him.

He finally confirms "Yeah, he is black".

They are investigating it as a hate crime because we have African Americans protesting down here left and right over it. Al Sharpton is also on his way.

If Zimmerman used 'my excellent compatriot', why not 'yeah, he's a '******', why not say 'you cops, better get here and get this '******'

There were tapes making the rounds too with him using the N word supposedly that have never surfaced except in some badly done youtubes.

If you guys haven't checked those out, you should. It's clear most don't agree with each other.
 

Capt Caveman

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You look good in that dress (no, you don't).

I didn't kill that man (yes, I did).

Not quite.

Edit: If you would, please try to think of a reason WHY the chief would "intentionally" (this is important) lie about the tapes when he knows they will be released soon.

He had to be sued to release them. He then released an edited version, removing the 'fucking coons' part.
 

Capt Caveman

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He first says he doesn't know, then he say the kid stopped and turned towards him.

He finally confirms "Yeah, he is black".

They are investigating it as a hate crime because we have African Americans protesting down here left and right over it. Al Sharpton is also on his way.

If Zimmerman used 'my excellent compatriot', why not 'yeah, he's a '******', why not say 'you cops, better get here and get this '******'

There were tapes making the rounds too with him using the N word supposedly that have never surfaced except in some badly done youtubes.

If you guys haven't checked those out, you should. It's clear most don't agree with each other.

You obviously didn't listen to the 911 call.

In an interview this week with the Miami Herald, Police Chief Bill Lee said the 911 calls would prove the incident was not a case of racial profiling, because when asked whether the suspect was white or black, Zimmerman did not know. However the recording clearly shows that when asked, Zimmerman said, “He looks black.” And then a few moments later, “He’s a black male.”

And this isn't from youtube - http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...0_1_racial-slur-fatal-shooting-racial-epithet
 

alkemyst

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Actually, Zimmerman's first comment in regards to Trayvon's race is "He looks black". That's in the 4 minute 11 second "ZIMMERMAN-911-0316.wav" file I have.

I have no doubt.

You know why none of the media has transcribed these tapes yet right?
 

soundforbjt

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You look good in that dress (no, you don't).

I didn't kill that man (yes, I did).

Not quite.

Edit: If you would, please try to think of a reason WHY the chief would "intentionally" (this is important) lie about the tapes when he knows they will be released soon.

Why has his department lied on other occasions? Because maybe they're corrupt. The previous chief was. Read the entire thread and you'll see.
 

OCNewbie

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I have no doubt.

You know why none of the media has transcribed these tapes yet right?

Do you have access to a different version of the tape? I guess it does kinda sound like the audio cuts out there, right before he says "He looks black."
 
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Unless the self defense claim can be refuted Mr Zimmerman will have immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action. Also the law is clear that the plaintiff will have to pay for the defendant's legal fees and other costs including lost wages.

You're mistaken. He is not immune from being sued - just immune from civil liability if a jury believes he acted in reasonable self-defense under the statute. The plaintiffs will only have to pay his costs and fees if that finding is made. I think many lawyers will be happy to take that risk - I know I would be willing to unless the evidence reveals things to be quite different from the way they now stand.
 

OCNewbie

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Why has his department lied on other occasions? Because maybe they're corrupt. The previous chief was. Read the entire thread and you'll see.

Yes, but when you assert that the department "lied" on other occasions, they could be the same as this "lie" that you've mentioned. Again, it's from one source, and it's not even clearly listed as a direct quote in the article (Miami Herald).
 

Craig234

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No that statement is clearly racist and was not what Zimmerman said.

You're wrong. The quality is low and it's not 100% what he said yet, but it sounds likely that's what he said, I heard that recording.

Your saying he did not has no grounds IMO.

Nor did the dispatch say "Sir, you don't need to call him that". These are all fabrications and there are a lot of edited tapes circulating.

Where's your evidence for alleging the 'F***** coons' tape on the show was edited?
 

soundforbjt

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Yes, but when you assert that the department "lied" on other occasions, they could be the same as this "lie" that you've mentioned. Again, it's from one source, and it's not even clearly listed as a direct quote in the article (Miami Herald).

No they were much worse. Read and learn.