Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Phokus

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Are you ignoring the EYE witness that saw martin over zimmerman beating him?

Are you ignoring all the other evidence that say zimmerman's account is correct? If there was some evidence it wasn't then they would have probable cause and arrest him. Police say they just don't have anything to refute his story (WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT) and is backed up by physical evidence, eye witness tesimony, etc.

Why are so many simply refusing to ignore all of that facts?

Why are you ignoring the fact that the police lied about the 9/11 tapes and tampered with evidence (coercing witness testimony), didn't follow procedures (they even didn't do an initial criminal background check and just took zimmerman at his word that he had a clean record).

Because you get your rocks off that he got to execute a black kid.

And why on earth would zimmerman need an attorney when the police are in his back pocket as corrupt accomplices.
 

spidey07

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The funny this is that all these people defending Z, are the ones that would be defending T if he had a gun and shot Z.

You are making the huge assumption that zimmerman was the aggressor - so far there is zero evidence of that being the case.

It's almost like people have it all made up in their mind what happened and refuse to listen to facts, reality and evidence.

When there is some evidence it wasn't self defense then I'll change my tune. So far zero evidence has been shown it wasn't, only made up in their heads evidence. Let's deal with the facts here.
 

spidey07

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not relevant to anything

We have wounds on zimmerman that confirm his story of being attacked and on his back, combined with eye witness account, him calling for help.

If Martin was attacked, then surely there would be some physical evidence to show that other than the bruises to his hands? Do you have some evidence the police aren't privy to?
 

Paul98

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You are making the huge assumption that zimmerman was the aggressor - so far there is zero evidence of that being the case.

It's almost like people have it all made up in their mind what happened and refuse to listen to facts, reality and evidence.

When there is some evidence it wasn't self defense then I'll change my tune. So far zero evidence has been shown it wasn't, only made up in their heads evidence. Let's deal with the facts here.

The ONLY evidence shows that Z was the aggressor, as everything has shown.

You would have shot Z if he did to you what he did to this kid. Which is why I find everything you say so funny.
 

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Are you ignoring the EYE witness that saw martin over zimmerman beating him?

Are you ignoring all the other evidence that say zimmerman's account is correct? If there was some evidence it wasn't then they would have probable cause and arrest him. Police say they just don't have anything to refute his story (WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT) and is backed up by physical evidence, eye witness tesimony, etc.

Why are so many simply refusing to ignore all of that facts?

What part do you not understand that Zimmerman provoke the situation by chasing and then stalking the kid? Damn you are fucking tool.
 

Londo_Jowo

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The ONLY evidence shows that Z was the aggressor, as everything has shown.

You would have shot Z if he did to you what he did to this kid. Which is why I find everything you say so funny.


And what evidence is that? The eye witness that places Trayvon on top beating Zimmerman less than a minute before the gun shot?
 

OCNewbie

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I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but there does seem to be a good amount of evidence to support Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I found this interesting as well -
When police put Zimmerman in the back of the cruiser, he said, "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me," according to the police report.

I'm assuming he was put into the police cruiser in a relatively short period of time after the police got there, which was apparently 60 seconds after the gun shot. Seems like awfully fast thinking on Zimmerman's part, if he's lying.
 
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M0RPH

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The ONLY evidence shows that Z was the aggressor, as everything has shown.

You would have shot Z if he did to you what he did to this kid. Which is why I find everything you say so funny.

Ok what about the bloody nose of Z, the wound on the back of his head, the fact that his back was wet indicating he was on the ground on his back.
 

Paul98

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We have wounds on zimmerman that confirm his story of being attacked and on his back, combined with eye witness account, him calling for help.

If Martin was attacked, then surely there would be some physical evidence to show that other than the bruises to his hands? Do you have some evidence the police aren't privy to?

First that is irrelevant as you have no clue how he got those, unless you have some evidence the police aren't privy to. But then again I wouldn't trust anything the police say. This guy was going to end up killing more innocent people, or get himself killed if he continues to do what he does. He thinks what he is doing is right which makes it even worse. Just like those who defend him. He needs to be locked up or killed before more innocents are killed.
 

nobodyknows

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The funny this is that all these people defending Z, are the ones that would be defending T if he had a gun and shot Z.

This is more about gun laws then someone getting killed. As if we can somehow force (embarass?) Florida to change their gun law.
 

nobodyknows

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First that is irrelevant as you have no clue how he got those, unless you have some evidence the police aren't privy to. But then again I wouldn't trust anything the police say. This guy was going to end up killing more innocent people, or get himself killed if he continues to do what he does. He thinks what he is doing is right which makes it even worse. Just like those who defend him. He needs to be locked up or killed before more innocents are killed.


Irrevelant? Really??
 

Paul98

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Ok what about the bloody nose of Z, the wound on the back of his head, the fact that his back was wet indicating he was on the ground on his back.

he was clearly defending himself from a crazy person.
 

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And what evidence is that? The eye witness that places Trayvon on top beating Zimmerman less than a minute before the gun shot?

No the eyewitness seen two men fighting. Th eyewitness didn't know Zimmerman chased him and stalked him twice. The eyewitness didn't hear the exchange that the girl heard on the phone between Zimmerman and the kid. The eyewitness didn't know that Zimmerman was told not to follow the kid. All the eyewitness seen was two men fighting with Trayvon on top at that moment. Seeing someone on top doesn't even mean that person is winning and he saw maybe 20 seconds. And the eyewitness ran upstairs locked the door and never saw how or if the two men separated. The eyewitness really doesn't bring a whole lot to the table.
 

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Ok, according to all of you, Z is a crazy person. Now tell me how he had been doing this neighborhood watch thing for at least a year, and had not assaulted or killed anyone before?

If he was the type to just approach any male black youths and shove them around or whatever, why were there no assaults reported by him before this?
 
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OCNewbie

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But then again I wouldn't trust anything the police say.

You pretty much show your bias and inability to have a rational discussion about this with that statement.

Why wouldn't you trust anything the police say? Apparently you're also privy to information that most of us don't have.
 

Paul98

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Ok, according to all of you, Z is a crazy person. Now tell me how he had been doing this neighborhood watch thing for at least a year, and had not assaulted or killed anyone before?

Because he didn't have a chance to of course.
 

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Ok, according to all of you, Z is a crazy person. Now tell me how he had been doing this neighborhood watch thing for at least a year, and had not assaulted or killed anyone before?

Show me anything that would lead you to believe Trayvon deserved to approached, chased, and questioned by a complete stranger?
 

Londo_Jowo

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No the eyewitness seen two men fighting. Th eyewitness didn't know Zimmerman chased him and stalked him twice. The eyewitness didn't hear the exchange that the girl heard on the phone between Zimmerman and the kid. The eyewitness didn't know that Zimmerman was told not to follow the kid. All the eyewitness seen was two men fighting with Trayvon on top at that moment. Seeing someone on top doesn't even mean that person is winning and he saw maybe 20 seconds. And the eyewitness ran upstairs locked the door and never saw how or if the two men separated. The eyewitness really doesn't bring a whole lot to the table.

It's irrelevant, the fight and the fact Trayvon was on top beating him is what the self-defense claim is based upon. Mr Zimmerman believed he was is danger of bodily harm and based on the laws in Florida exercised his right of self defense.
 

Paul98

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You pretty much show your bias and inability to have a rational discussion about this with that statement.

Why wouldn't you trust anything the police say? Apparently you're also privy to information that most of us don't have.

Because the police lie most of the time and abuse power. They are there only for themselves, and will screw over anyone and say anything to get there way. Then since they are police they will get away with it. Yeah I am privy to being able to see the situation how it is, not how I want it to be, and not caring what stupid law they decided to pass to allow killing.