Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Capt Caveman

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Why? I have been questioned many times even into my 30's.

Let's not forget when a cop pulled out his gun on my wife and I at CitiBank in Palm Beach. Acting like an asshat would have gotten me shot, instead I stated I have an account here and we are banking.

Which then led to him putting the gun away and asking "Do you live here?"

My answer was no we lived off the island...which his answer was "You don't belong here then, go bank in West Palm Beach".

Probably was at the time the only other CitiBank branch was much farther away.

I could have made this a huge lawsuit, but we just were happy that we was being dismissed.

Cop was profiling my 4 year old black Saturn SC2 which was lowered, tinted, and didn't match a car you'd see on that island.

There have been other times I have been stopped. I know why, the car...it's not going to do me any good to fight a cop roadside. I call an attorney and have it all thrown out.

When did Zimmerman become a cop and identify himself to Martin?
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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And for the people dismissing conflicting "witness accounts":

Witnesses are not limited to “eyewitnesses.” Witnesses may be called because they actually saw or heard a crime occur, but they also may know something about a piece of evidence, or may possess information that contradicts another witness’ testimony. You may not think that what you know about the case is significant; however, small pieces of information are often required to determine what really happened.

http://www.ocalynchburg.com/faqs/2_legal_basics.htm
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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There are many studies where they have a guy in something as bizarre as a gorilla suit dance across a crowd and no one sees that. They will know the music playing a few details about the crowd and adamantly deny there was a gorilla.

The thing is it's a combination though. If you seed a verbal story people tend to see what they are hearing.

One paper out of context doesn't prove otherwise.

I've got lots more, how many do you want?
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
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Why? I have been questioned many times even into my 30's.

Let's not forget when a cop pulled out his gun on my wife and I at CitiBank in Palm Beach. Acting like an asshat would have gotten me shot, instead I stated I have an account here and we are banking.

Which then led to him putting the gun away and asking "Do you live here?"

My answer was no we lived off the island...which his answer was "You don't belong here then, go bank in West Palm Beach".

Probably was at the time the only other CitiBank branch was much farther away.

I could have made this a huge lawsuit, but we just were happy that we was being dismissed.

Cop was profiling my 4 year old black Saturn SC2 which was lowered, tinted, and didn't match a car you'd see on that island.

There have been other times I have been stopped. I know why, the car...it's not going to do me any good to fight a cop roadside. I call an attorney and have it all thrown out.

That was a cop. This was some random stranger. You tell me the difference.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Z isn't a cop you fool.

So what other stories do you have to offer about being profiled by a vigilante neighborhood watch captain?

That wasn't the only time, that was the most over the top.

Once I had a guy throw his lawnmower out in front of my car because he thought it sounded like I was driving too fast.

I had the police called on me a few times for hanging out at a clubhouse, I had another person (probably the same that called the police) confront me about being at that same clubhouse's gym a few times. First time, I was polite...showed him I had a passcard and that I was living there for a couple months with my parents. He was a total dick, and kept being one. He also didn't like the car I was driving and thought I should be in other types of clothing.

I can't play the race card.
 

airdata

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Listen carefully to the 2min20sec. to 2min. 23 sec. segment. then tell me you didn't hear "fucking coons"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL72w4xiTVU

The title of the video is probably unnecessarily provocative, but listen carefully to what was said.

Seriously he at that point when he was caught up to by Mr. Zimmerman he was a scared 17 year old kid. Not some person with years of martial arts training.

Pretty sure he said " Fucking punks ". But still. The argument can be ended now. We have the girlfriend on the phone w\ him telling him to run because a suspicious guy is following him for god knows what reason.

Given the shooters background, he shouldn't have even been in possession of a gun since he's a felon. They clearly told him not to follow the victim, and at that point he'd made his decision to goto prison.

( no, I don't care that it's expunged... there are tons of felons living happy straight lives who don't get their right to own guns back.. this asshole shouldn't either just because he probably got the right lawyer for his case.)
 
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Pretty sure he said " Fucking punks ". But still. The argument can be ended now. We have the girlfriend on the phone w\ him telling him to run because a suspicious guy is following him for god knows what reason.

Given the shooters background, he shouldn't have even been in possession of a gun since he's a felon. They clearly told him not to follow the victim, and at that point he'd made his decision to goto prison.

( no, I don't care that it's expunged... there are tons of felons living happy straight lives who don't get their right to own guns back.. this asshole shouldn't either just because he probably got the right lawyer for his case.)

In fairness there is no evidence Mr. Zimmerman was ever convicted of a crime, much less a felony. I do consider him the probable bad guy in this case, but he is not a felon.
 

airdata

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In fairness there is no evidence Mr. Zimmerman was ever convicted of a crime, much less a felony. I do consider him the probable bad guy in this case, but he is not a felon.

One of the articles posted earlier in the thread clearly stated that he had a felony assault on a police officer charge. expungement is a cop out, as I stated in my previous post.. It's a "lets pretend" this guy wasn't convicted of the crime he was convicted of.

It's not literally turning back time and making him not commit the crime.
 

alkemyst

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Pretty sure he said " Fucking punks ". But still. The argument can be ended now. We have the girlfriend on the phone w\ him telling him to run because a suspicious guy is following him for god knows what reason.

Given the shooters background, he shouldn't have even been in possession of a gun since he's a felon. They clearly told him not to follow the victim, and at that point he'd made his decision to goto prison.

( no, I don't care that it's expunged... there are tons of felons living happy straight lives who don't get their right to own guns back.. this asshole shouldn't either just because he probably got the right lawyer for his case.)

he was not a felon.
 

waggy

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Pretty sure he said " Fucking punks ". But still. The argument can be ended now. We have the girlfriend on the phone w\ him telling him to run because a suspicious guy is following him for god knows what reason.

Given the shooters background, he shouldn't have even been in possession of a gun since he's a felon. They clearly told him not to follow the victim, and at that point he'd made his decision to goto prison.

( no, I don't care that it's expunged... there are tons of felons living happy straight lives who don't get their right to own guns back.. this asshole shouldn't either just because he probably got the right lawyer for his case.)

meh its expunged i don't care.

he is not a Felon. just a idiot

And it's clear to me that he says coons not punks.
 

classy

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In martial arts we were taught to speak like we were the victim in an altercation. 99% of the time witnesses remember what they hear more than they see.

LOL

You are so comical. You are backing 4 black dudes at the park. You been questioned a lot with your tricked out Saturn, lol. You took martial arts, where they taught you how to speak like you were the victim. You are so full of donkey ^*&(^(^(&
 

alkemyst

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One of the articles posted earlier in the thread clearly stated that he had a felony assault on a police officer charge. expungement is a cop out, as I stated in my previous post.. It's a "lets pretend" this guy wasn't convicted of the crime he was convicted of.

It's not literally turning back time and making him not commit the crime.

wow, so your take is if you are thought to be guilty you are?
 

Ninjahedge

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I listened to that tape again and actually the screaming subsides a little bit before the shot.

It usually does when someone points the gun right at you (or you turn and start running).

Why does the screaming getting softer matter?
 
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waggy

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LOL

You are so comical. You are backing 4 black dudes at the park. You been questioned a lot with your tricked out Saturn, lol. You took martial arts, where they taught you how to speak like you were the victim. You are so full of donkey ^*&(^(^(&

I have taken hapkido for years. my son is in taekwondo (the hapkido place closed or he would be in that) and my ex-wife was in karate/hapkido .

I have NEVER heard a place teach you to "speak like you were the victim"


it must be a interesting place if it teaches you to be the victim every place i have seen try to keep that from happening..
 

momeNt

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That wasn't the only time, that was the most over the top.

Once I had a guy throw his lawnmower out in front of my car because he thought it sounded like I was driving too fast.

I had the police called on me a few times for hanging out at a clubhouse, I had another person (probably the same that called the police) confront me about being at that same clubhouse's gym a few times. First time, I was polite...showed him I had a passcard and that I was living there for a couple months with my parents. He was a total dick, and kept being one. He also didn't like the car I was driving and thought I should be in other types of clothing.

I can't play the race card.


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micrometers

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It usually does when someone points the guy right at you (or you turn and start running).

Why does the screaming getting softer matter?

It matters because it disproves a theory that Z shot T while T was still screaming. Like, if Z were on top and T were losing, T is screaming for his life, Z pulls the trigger and kills T. T's scream will be cut off ABRUPTLY.

Or how implausible it is for Z to be on the bottom, screaming his lungs out, and while screaming pull out his gun, screaming the entire time, and pull the trigger.

But from the 911 tape, you hear the screaming subside and then the shot. That disproves what Mary Cutcher said about the incident.
 
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One of the articles posted earlier in the thread clearly stated that he had a felony assault on a police officer charge. expungement is a cop out, as I stated in my previous post.. It's a "lets pretend" this guy wasn't convicted of the crime he was convicted of.

It's not literally turning back time and making him not commit the crime.

My understanding is that it was not expunged, but rather that it was handled through some kind of continuance for dismissal where he was never actually convicted. I am open to being proved wrong but that is my understanding.
 

momeNt

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It matters because it disproves a theory that Z shot T while T was still screaming. Like, if Z were on top and T were losing, T is screaming for his life, Z pulls the trigger and kills T. T's scream will be cut off ABRUPTLY.

Or how implausible it is for Z to be on the bottom, screaming his lungs out, and while screaming pull out his gun, screaming the entire time, and pull the trigger.

But from the 911 tape, you hear the screaming subside and then the shot. That disproves what Mary Cutcher said about the incident.

FBI may need to get involved to do voice recognition and put this matter to rest.

I haven't heard T's voice yet, and from Z's phone calls it would be hard to tell what he screams like because he is whispering in order to not startle his prey.
 

M0RPH

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Pretty sure he said " Fucking punks ". But still. The argument can be ended now. We have the girlfriend on the phone w\ him telling him to run because a suspicious guy is following him for god knows what reason.

Sounds like "punks" to me but I do find it intersting how many people here are convinced that he says "coons", even though that audio is very unclear.
 

soundforbjt

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It matters because it disproves a theory that Z shot T while T was still screaming. Like, if Z were on top and T were losing, T is screaming for his life, Z pulls the trigger and kills T. T's scream will be cut off ABRUPTLY.

Or how implausible it is for Z to be on the bottom, screaming his lungs out, and while screaming pull out his gun, screaming the entire time, and pull the trigger.

But from the 911 tape, you hear the screaming subside and then the shot. That disproves what Mary Cutcher said about the incident.

Not necessarily, If the person holding the phone turned away in anger or disgust, the volume would fade down.

I'm an audio professional.