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the stand your ground law is shitty but...states are allowed to pass ill-conceived laws.
And the Feds can say "sorry, we trump that". Medical marijuana ...
the stand your ground law is shitty but...states are allowed to pass ill-conceived laws.
You're starting to sound like spidey here. No one mentioned multiple punches or any punches at all in either call. The mother of the deceased has already claimed it was her son crying for help in the multiple seconds before the shot rang out.
Forensics also have not come out and we don't know if Z shot M from under him or not.
More than anything, I'm defending the PD's handling of the case.
But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective peppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.
Q: How did law enforcement respond to the law?
A: Prosecutors across the state opposed the law before it was enacted Oct. 1, 2005. In the following five months, there were at least 13 shootings in Central Florida where self-defense was claimed. Out of six men killed and four more wounded in the cases, only one was armed. Some Orlando-area police agencies simply stopped investigating shootings involving self-defense claims and referred them directly to state prosecutors to decide.
There are callers who said that there are two men fighting on the lawn. I take that to mean they are punching, since that is what you do in a fight. Or maybe kicking. whatever.
The mother of the deceased is obviously biased. I feel badly for her, but you can't just go by what she thinks she heard, because it really is inconclusive who is screaming, though I suspect that Z being under T would likely be screaming since he is under T.
We know that T ended up face-down on the ground with a gunshot to his chest. That sounds like shooting someone out from under.
Here is a possibility.
They were wrestling on the ground (witnessed). Z pulls the gun out. T sees it and seperates, stands up. Z points gun at T while still on the ground. T begs for life. Z shoots T. T falls face down. Remember nobody actually saw T striking Z at all let alone from the standing position.
Here is a possibility.
They were wrestling on the ground (witnessed). Z pulls the gun out. T sees it and seperates, stands up. Z points gun at T while still on the ground. T begs for life. Z shoots T. T falls face down. Remember nobody actually saw T striking Z at all let alone from the standing position.
The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.
John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.
"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
There are callers who said that there are two men fighting on the lawn. I take that to mean they are punching, since that is what you do in a fight. Or maybe kicking. whatever.
The mother of the deceased is obviously biased. I feel badly for her, but you can't just go by what she thinks she heard, because it really is inconclusive who is screaming, though I suspect that Z being under T would likely be screaming since he is under T.
We know that T ended up face-down on the ground with a gunshot to his chest. That sounds like shooting someone out from under.
I believe there ballistic evidence will show the angle of entry of the slug and possible exit.
I disagree with no one saw T striking Z.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...led-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1pbSX6gLs
Or someone who was shot standing up and fell foward.
The mother wasn't sure at first whether it was her son until the audio was cleaned up on the tapes, then she said it was her son. You don't think a mother would know the sound of her son's voice? You actually believe she could mistake Z for her own son? That's a stretch.
Or someone who was shot standing up and fell foward.
The mother wasn't sure at first whether it was her son until the audio was cleaned up on the tapes, then she said it was her son. You don't think a mother would know the sound of her son's voice? You actually believe she could mistake Z for her own son? That's a stretch.
She might have no clue what her son would sound like uttering a shriek of mortal terror a good distance away from a muffled phone. Couple that with the fact that, as she is listening to the recording, she is envisioning a scene in her head which may or may not be even close to accurate, and that picture in her head affects how she perceives the sounds she hears.Or someone who was shot standing up and fell foward.
The mother wasn't sure at first whether it was her son until the audio was cleaned up on the tapes, then she said it was her son. You don't think a mother would know the sound of her son's voice? You actually believe she could mistake Z for her own son? That's a stretch.
Pretend that it is in-fact Z's voice that is screaming. Do you think the mother would objectively say that it is not her son? Really? I would believe anything that helped my dead son.
She believes what she wants to believe because she is his mother. That's not too much of a stretch.
That can be proved in a trial. An audio expert can prove it was or wasn't Z crying. Z is still alive so a voice match can be made.
What about the other witness who said it was the boy? They don't count only the other guy counts as credible?
I read that article. The witness never said he saw T striking Z.
State attorney sending it to grand jury.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/20/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Karmy, why do you keep saying the Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman...
I don't think he is a racist, no. He has no history of anything racist and is related by blood to several black people.
The issue is that this law has been used many times in the past to allow people who kill in public to walk, and it hasn't been struck down before. I simply don't see how the feds can strike it down.
State attorney sending it to grand jury.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/20/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
She believes what she wants to believe because she is his mother. That's not too much of a stretch.
As a parent, I can tell you we don't want to hear our kids dying scream, it would be painful as hell.
But I doubt people like you would understand what a parent go through in that situation.
Good. Can't wait to watch the head(s) explode...
