UN trying to create report that says Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons.

[Anarchist420]

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15607844

This will be the new world order that kills >95% of the population.


Thread title changed for accuracy. I assume the OP is not a native English speaker and simply didn't understand the title of the article he was reading (and didn't read the article either.) This would explain a lot. Oh, and everyone suspects that Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon. -Admin DrPizza

 

[Matt1970]

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15607844

This will be the new world order that kills >95% of the population.

If they do have one, Israel will just take it out in quick order. Iran will bitch and moan for a couple weeks and their best retaliation will be a couple suicide bombers if even that.

 

[herm0016]

trying to create? like, out of thin air?

 

[gevorg]

Its about time, gotta find a new "job" for all the troops in Iraq.

 

[lothar]

If they do have one, Israel will just take it out in quick order. Iran will bitch and moan for a couple weeks and their best retaliation will be a couple suicide bombers if even that.

Iran is no Iraq.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

WMDs used as excuse to attack a nation. Wonder where they got that idea from.

 

[SamurAchzar]

WMDs used as excuse to attack a nation. Wonder where they got that idea from.

So, I take it you belong to the camp that supports a nuclear-armed Iran?

 

[soccerballtux]

WMDs used as excuse to attack a nation. Wonder where they got that idea from.

I know it's so hard to provide the documentation that shows you destroyed them. So impossibly hard that you have to risk letting your country invaded and your own death rather than actually provide the documentation.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

WMDs used as excuse to attack a nation. Wonder where they got that idea from.

Think for a moment. When did the UN declare war on iraq because of WMDs?

Don't worry the crazies will be along to say they should have them and to tell everyone how bad the US is.

 

[Anarchist420]

I couldn't give a fuck less if Iran has WMDs, although I don't think they'll come anywhere close to having them; I think whatever this "report" is will be pure fake just like the how the U.N. faked trying to get the U.S. govt to escalate its occupation of Iraq under Bush 43. I trust Ahmedinejad a lot more than I trust any of the 2012 runners other than Dr. Paul.

Bottom line is that it's not like Iran will use WMD against Americans unless the U.S. govt asks Iran to.

The US govt scares the fuck out of me. First it wanted the events of 9/11/01 to happen, now it wants war against Iran. Or maybe it's wanted war against Iran for the past 60 years.

Further, anyone who thinks the UN wants world peace has been snorting a lot of coccaine. It was from the minds of Wilson and FDR FFS, which means it has to be pro-war. Warren G. Harding is a savior of most Americans (all but the elites) for trying to stop it (and for not intervening in the Forgotten GD caused by Woodrow Wilson).

 

[Jhhnn]

I know it's so hard to provide the documentation that shows you destroyed them. So impossibly hard that you have to risk letting your country invaded and your own death rather than actually provide the documentation.

Can't prove a negative, which was the point wrt Iraq, and likely the same wrt Iran's supposed nuclear weapon efforts.

No amount of documentation would have satisfied the Bushistas, nor would any amount of on site inspection, either. The whole thing was a beard, an excuse for War.

It's much the same wrt Iran's efforts. With fuel enrichment capabilities, the Iranians can ramp that up to nuclear weapons capability in the absence of IAEA inspectors if they so choose. But the NPT allows them fuel enrichment under the current inspection regime, leaving nations wanting to maintain their nuclear monopoly in a bind. So attempts to demonize the Iranians are strong, and will resort to whatever projection, innuendo and attribution required to create the impression that the Iranians are working on nukes. Lots of "Crying Wolf" & raving, particularly by the Israelis and their friends.

It seems entirely unlikely that the US will engage in military action against the Iranians w/o the strongest evidence, and this isn't it. Nor will we sanction any by our client states, like Israel. Not even the Bushistas were that stupid & arrogant, and they were plenty of both.

It would be an extreme miscalculation on the part of the Israelis to attack Iran, for a multiplicity of reasons. Which isn't to say that the Netanyahu faction isn't that stupidly fanatical, but rather that it's a fool's move, carrying incalculable consequences. OTOH, they're getting desperate, realizing better than we do that the smartest move for the US would be to strike a grand bargain with the Iranians, much as Nixon did with China...

 

[SamurAchzar]

Jhhnn, would you so actively support the Iranian nuclear program even if you knew Colorado is within strike range of their nuclear weapons? Or is it only fine for as long as it's the problem of them Jews in the Middle East?

 

[fskimospy]

Jhhnn, would you so actively support the Iranian nuclear program even if you knew Colorado is within strike range of their nuclear weapons? Or is it only fine for as long as it's the problem of them Jews in the Middle East?

Nobody supports Iranian development of nuclear weapons, there just aren't a lot of good options in dealing with them. Israel striking Iran's nuclear facilities is a bad idea because it is unlikely to be successful. Iran is not going to use their nuclear weapons against the US, or anyone else if they do get them however, it just removes the threat of invasion by the US as a lever to motivate them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn, would you so actively support the Iranian nuclear program even if you knew Colorado is within strike range of their nuclear weapons? Or is it only fine for as long as it's the problem of them Jews in the Middle East?

You assume I'll accept false attribution on your part wrt Iranian nuclear capabilities. I don't. You also imply, as usual, that the Iranians are crazy enough to attack Israel with nukes if they possessed them. I don't accept that, either.

Have I quit beating my wife? I never started.

 

[fskimospy]

You assume I'll accept false attribution on your part wrt Iranian nuclear capabilities. I don't. You also imply, as usual, that the Iranians are crazy enough to attack Israel with nukes if they possessed them. I don't accept that, either.

Have I quit beating my wife? I never started.

It's pretty standard for people who don't understand the situation to think that our enemies there are somehow raving madmen who can't wait to start lobbing nuclear weapons everywhere.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Nobody supports Iranian development of nuclear weapons, there just aren't a lot of good options in dealing with them.

Not once and not twice people on these very forums mentioned that it would not be a bad idea to have Iranian counterbalance against the Israeli nuclear ability.

Israel striking Iran's nuclear facilities is a bad idea because it is unlikely to be successful.

I agree.

Iran is not going to use their nuclear weapons against the US, or anyone else if they do get them however, it just removes the threat of invasion by the US as a lever to motivate them.

The odds they will directly use these weapons are low, although you can't rule it out completely as it is a radically religious regime that works strictly by the rules of the Sharia. You wouldn't trust Taliban with a nuke and these people are no different. But again, pretty low odds.

The damage they will do through proxies all over the Middle East (as well as USA back yard, Southern America) will be huge. Europeans will wake up to a new future where Islamic war heads are directed at their countries; and lest us forget, the regime in Iran is not democratically elected and thus not inherently stable. One day another revolution could take place and the nukes could fall into even more dangerous hands.

You saw over Wikileaks just how hysterical the Arabs are in their attitude towards the Iranian program. They kept quiet for years in regards to the Israeli nukes program, now though they are really pushed to the corner. When allies such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan start nuclear programs of their own it will really become a mess.

Iran has to be stopped, it can only be stopped by the USA, and the USA could only be led to this either by a right wing Christian nutcase or by Obama on his second term, when he's no longer judged by the public eye and the polls, but rather judged by the history books of the future.

Now, imagine the irony where the same mouths are calling for US to disarm of its nukes under the pretenses of world peace, while encouraging Islamists to take on their nuclear programs. The people of the 21st century, eh.

 

[Nemesis 1]

SO what ? The USA has Nukes also . We know for fact that the USA government will use them . Not once but a second time . Its not Iran you should fear .

 

[SamurAchzar]

SO what ? The USA has Nukes also . We know for fact that the USA government will use them . Not once but a second time . Its not Iran you should fear .

Are you implying that US nukes will be used against US citizens?

 

[Nemesis 1]

You can turn my words anyway you want . I don't care. I know you , and I just don't care. You are nothing to me. You try to expand upon what I said without the ability to comprehind what I said. So you lay traps . But you forget were you placed them and have fallen into that which you created.

 

[woolfe9999]

Why is it that liberals used to strongly favor non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, but now that the situation involves Iran and Israel, non-proliferation has suddenly become about current nuclear armed nations maintaining their "monopoly" of nuclear weapons? Are we to be egalitarian about the possession and ownership of nuclear weapons now?

BTW, the OP's topic is clearly incorrect. The report is to say that Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons, not that is has them. Title should be changed.

 

[Engineer]

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[fskimospy]

Why is it that liberals used to strongly favor non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, but now that the situation involves Iran and Israel, non-proliferation has suddenly become about current nuclear armed nations maintaining their "monopoly" of nuclear weapons? Are we to be egalitarian about the possession and ownership of nuclear weapons now?

BTW, the OP's topic is clearly incorrect. The report is to say that Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons, not that is has them. Title should be changed.

What liberals are these? I don't see any saying that in this thread other than perhaps Nemesis, but he's 1.) not a liberal and 2.) nuts. I don't support Iran having nuclear weapons, I just don't see an effective way for the US to prevent this from happening. A nuclear Iran is bad news for the US and for Israel, but it's not bad news because they are going to set off a nuclear holocaust, it's bad news for our strategic aims in the region.

There is likely no way to stop the Iranian nuclear program without either a full scale invasion or a long and involved bombing campaign. (ie: not a surgical strike, but a long process) I'm not convinced that either one of those are a good option, and so here we are.

 

[woolfe9999]

What liberals are these? I don't see any saying that in this thread other than perhaps Nemesis, but he's 1.) not a liberal and 2.) nuts. I don't support Iran having nuclear weapons, I just don't see an effective way for the US to prevent this from happening. A nuclear Iran is bad news for the US and for Israel, but it's not bad news because they are going to set off a nuclear holocaust, it's bad news for our strategic aims in the region.

There is likely no way to stop the Iranian nuclear program without either a full scale invasion or a long and involved bombing campaign. (ie: not a surgical strike, but a long process) I'm not convinced that either one of those are a good option, and so here we are.

Many of them, but you can read Jhhnn's first post in this thread, in which efforts to prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons are now all about current nuclear armed nations maintaining their "monopoly." That is apparently the new way to cast efforts to prevent proliferation of nukes.

I was vehemently opposed to Bush's neo-con "nation building" projects and still am, but the bulk of liberals have gone off the reservation about foreign policy. Most of the talk from liberals is not about the non-feasibility of neutralizing their program. It is either asserting that there is no such program or trying to justify it by laying the blame on the US or Israel. For a western liberal to show unconditional support for right-wing theocracies just because they hate the US and Israel is unseemly. Actually, it is repulsive. It a sad day to be an American liberal, when liberals are doing everything in their power to confirm the worst stereotypes emanating from the right.

- wolf

 

[Jhhnn]

Standard Zionist projections, attributions & innuendo.

Even after it's been pointed out that's what you're doing, you just put a little different spin on it- wash, rinse, repeat, as if that'll make it somehow more true than it was the first or the 9,999th time it was rolled out.

You'll persist, no doubt, but you need to realize that Crying Wolf has a diminished point of return.

 

[Doppel]

I've always suspected their program included weaponization. And nobody here can really blame them for that, given how having nukes seems to lock a country down and making attacking it even more distasteful.

I cannot envision why if Iran had nukes it would really attack anyone or sell them, that's fantasy.

I don't know if this report can be trusted, but I certainly hope it's vetted more than the bullsh*t the Bush admin used pre-Iraq.

If I were Iran I'd really want to come up with some genuine proof that this report is sh*t other than calling it such. I'd realize that Israel can kick my ass if it wants to and isn't cowardly. Plus, I'd wonder why I have that president of mine spouting his mouth endlessly.

In conclusion if I were a worker at one of the Iranian nuclear sites I'd call in sick for the next few months.