UN Report : Israel broke law in flotilla action

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A U.N. probe said there was clear evidence to back prosecutions against Israel for killing and torture when its troops stormed a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in May.

Israel’s May 31 efforts to stop a flotilla of ships from reaching the Gaza Strip broke international human rights and humanitarian law, and more such incidents may occur, according to a report by a three-person panel of experts appointed by the UN Human Rights Council.

“Lethal force was employed by the Israeli soldiers in a widespread and arbitrary manner which caused an unnecessarily large number of persons to be killed or seriously injured,” the report said. “Less extreme means could have been employed in nearly all instances of the Israeli operation, since there was no imminent threat to soldiers.”

Israel’s Foreign Ministry called the report “as biased and as one sided as the body that has produced it,” and said its own inquiries had sufficiently investigated the raid.

Israel has said that in the confrontation, which followed numerous warnings for the ships to change course, its soldiers were attacked with knives and clubs after boarding the Mavi Marmara, one of the six vessels in the flotilla, and seven were wounded, including by gunfire after volunteers aboard the ship managed to grab Israeli firearms.

Activists have said they threw the firearms into the sea. There was no violence on the other five ships.

Naval Blockade

The Israeli raid on vessels attempting to breach a naval blockade of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip left nine Turkish citizens dead, generated international criticism and led Turkey to suspend diplomatic and security cooperation. Turkey was once Israel’s closest ally in the region.

“There was no legal basis for the Israeli forces to conduct an assault and interception in international waters,” the report said.

Israel refused to cooperate with the UN inquiry, and video and photographic evidence obtained from Israel, mostly through the Internet or published proceedings from Israeli inquiries, could not be relied on, the report said.

While it was clear that the Israeli soldiers who tried to take control of the ship were attacked, the panel found no evidence that passengers used firearms to shoot at the soldiers.

Similar incidents are likely to occur unless “there is a dramatic shift in the existing paradigm,” the UN said. “Might and strength are enhanced when attended by a sense of justice and fair play. An unfair victory has never been known to bring lasting peace.”

UN Panel Report

The UN panel’s report was prepared by Karl Hudson-Phillips, a former attorney general of Trinidad and Tobago; Desmond de Silva, former chief prosecutor of the UN-backed Special Court for Sierra Leone; and Mary Shanthi Dairiam, a Malaysian women’s rights activist.
 

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Israel to UN: "Do something about it"

Israel has the law broken against it on a daily basis by hezbollah firing rockets, bombers, etc... and the UN doesn't do squat.
 

SamurAchzar

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We all seen the videos from the ship. That committee that was appointed did not interview anyone from Israel's side. I guess that being attacked by a mob with crowbars and being thrown into lower decks posed "no imminent threat" to the soldiers.

This report really tells more about UNHRC than about Israel.
 

SandEagle

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the UN is obviously antisemitic and should be classified as a terrorist organization
 

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“Less extreme means could have been employed in nearly all instances of the Israeli operation, since there was no imminent threat to soldiers

If this is not a biased report then I don't know what is
 

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"While it was clear that the Israeli soldiers who tried to take control of the ship were attacked"

Being attacked is no imminent threat?

It's not like these activists were just sailing a pleasure vessel, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what Israel was going to do. To provoke violence then cry foul, I just can't side with the activists.

Did Israel brake the letter of the law? Of course they did. So what? I think they did so for a good reason. The only question is, not what some U.N. jackasses write down as a declaration, but what other countries are going to do in response. My guess is nothing.
 
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SamurAchzar

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the UN is obviously antisemitic and should be classified as a terrorist organization

When even two consecutive US secretary generals criticized UNHRC for its bias towards Israel, you start to wonder.

Among the distinguished members of the UNHRC:

Angola
Cameron
Libya :D :D :D :D
Nigeria
China :D
Barhrain
Bangladesh
Malaysia :D
Pakstian :D
Saudi Arabia :D :D :D
Russia
Cuba

They just need North Korea, Egypt, Syria and Iran in and their lineup would be flawless.
 

Jaskalas

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So these are the rules of the game, huh? Only firearms are a threat to soldiers? Soldiers can only defend themselves if they carry like or inferior weapons?

This may as well be a report straight from the enemy. Especially when you take into account the effective result of their wanton policy. With the flotilla victorious and the Israeli forces murdered. That's the sort of action they'd be happy with, to which they'd utter no such condemnation.

What they are effectively saying is that you can only defend yourself if you're already dead. That's only logical if they consider you the enemy and wish to be rid of you. So that is the UN response to those of us who oppose Islamic terrorism.

What is our response to them?
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally Posted by Oric
"While it was clear that the Israeli soldiers who tried to take control of the ship were attacked"

Which gets back to lemon laws assertion that everything that happens is Israel`s fault...lolol
 
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SamurAchzar

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It's not even "The UN", it's a rogue body inside the UN that's controlled by hostile countries and criticized by the UN itself.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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It's not even "The UN", it's a rogue body inside the UN that's controlled by hostile countries and criticized by the UN itself.

But there was no holocaust! Sorry but the UN has no credibility, or perhaps more accurately those nations don't. When the same group goes after China for it's abysmal human rights violations get back to me.
 

Lemon law

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Correct in this case, if Israel has no legitimacy to its blockade of Gaza, then Israel has no initial right to board ships on the open sea. Then yes the crew are entitled to treat the Israelis boarding their ship as pirates.

But as all you pro Israeli fan clubbers flock together protesting a present condemnation of the past boarding of the Marma, you fail to see what its going to mean in future.

Because if the Israeli Naval blockade of Gaza is illegal and illegitimate, its going to be a criminal act for Israel to stop any Gaza bound vessel. And also a criminal act for Israel to regulate Gaza citizens from fishing beyond the 3 miles limit and like Israeli restrictions.

Before that UN ruling Israel could claim its blockade of Gaza complied with San Remo rules, but not any more. And to re establish that claim, Israel would have to appeal to the UN or world court to get the ruling reversed.
 

SamurAchzar

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Before that UN ruling Israel could claim its blockade of Gaza complied with San Remo rules, but not any more. And to re establish that claim, Israel would have to appeal to the UN or world court to get the ruling reversed.

What ruling? This is not a ruling. This is a report by a committee. This wasn't brought to court and there was no trial. Israel can, and probably will, just ignore it.

Now, where was the report about civilian killings in Iraq? I see.
 

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This is not the real UN report. This is the circle jerk report except Israel decided not to sit in the middle where they were supposed to. No one expected anything but condemnation of Israel, damn the evidence.

The real report is the joint Turkey/Israel UN report which is still in progress.

But I have zero faith in the UN even if they by chance end up spewing up something that is in favor of my position. All you need to do is look at footage of what happened on board that ship as well as testimonies from those present/involved that fit what happened in the footage (eg, terrorists lying about having been fired upon first).
 

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Before that UN ruling Israel could claim its blockade of Gaza complied with San Remo rules, but not any more. And to re establish that claim, Israel would have to appeal to the UN or world court to get the ruling reversed.

Now it's interesting that you mention pro-Israel people, but it seems that in your anti-Israel zeal that you are requiring Israel to comply with a ruling that doesn't exist. Getting a bit ahead of yourself with your demands, eh?
 

Lemon law

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Now it's interesting that you mention pro-Israel people, but it seems that in your anti-Israel zeal that you are requiring Israel to comply with a ruling that doesn't exist. Getting a bit ahead of yourself with your demands, eh?
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No Haybasusa, I was referring to this, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/wo...&ref=middleeas

It makes it pretty clear that the UN commission ruled the Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal
and illegitimate.

Pointed granted, there may be future UN ruling that may over rule or modify that Gaza blockade legitimacy ruling, but until they come, this ruling is the basic gold standard. Which means, until changed, Israel cannot legally blockade Gaza bound shipping.
 

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No Haybasusa, I was referring to this, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/wo...&ref=middleeas

It makes it pretty clear that the UN commission ruled the Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal
and illegitimate.

Pointed granted, there may be future UN ruling that may over rule or modify that Gaza blockade legitimacy ruling, but until they come, this ruling is the basic gold standard. Which means, until changed, Israel cannot legally blockade Gaza bound shipping.

Link fubared.
 

Genx87

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The only factual omission of Oric's link fails to mention that the same or a slightly different UN panel found the Israeli blockade of Gaza to be illegal as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/world/middleeast/23briefs-Flotilla.html?_r=1&ref=middleeas

But if the Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal, that opens up Israel to piracy charges for any ships it seizes and allows any ship to defy an illegitimate occupation.

I am sure they also mentioned Egypts blockade of Gaza right?
 

Lemon law

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Genx makes a good point about Egypt co-operating with Israel to maintain the
effectiveness of the blockade of Gaza. There are two basic reasons for that Egyptian cooperation, #1 US bribes to continue the practice, and #2 to keep a tight border so Egypt does not allow in a pile of Palestinian refugees. Beyond that, there is little Egyptian man on street love lost on Israel, and Egypt has already formally requested Israel extend the settlement freeze.

But Egypt has the option to quit supporting the blockade of Gaza or modify its policy. The same could also be said about Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.