UN official: 1,500 Palestinians made homeless by Rafah raid - Update: 2000 homeless
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Well this is sure to help the cause of peace.
The Israelis learned well from their oppressors. Create walled ghettos. Maintain domimance through the use of overwhelming force - with weapons supplies by the USA.
I wonder how most Americans would feel if they were put in the same position as the Palestinians.
Would they use any means at their disposal to fight back?
It's time for the Palestinians to outsmart the Israelis by embracing liberal democracy, liberalizing their economy, and doing away with terrorism. By supporting terrorism, they are playing into the hand of Ariel Sharon, one of the greatest generals of the 20th century. More terror equals more land grab by israel. Will they ever learn?
More land grab by Israel means more dead or displaced Palestinians which means more people are ready to die for the Palestinian cause. How can you expect anyone to " liberalize their economy" and "embrace democracy" when they don't even have a house to live in? You wouldn't last five seconds in those conditions Dari, let alone have time to embrace anything. And BTW, Sharon is a war criminal.
Will it ever end! Jesus, I am more mature that the those leaders! It just keeps on going back and forth!
I think Israel oughta take over the territory and have a 'shoot on site' zone.
The whole war is like one huge bully trying to win a fight against a stubborn 5year old without hurting him. Might as well kill him already. Hit them hard until they surrender.
We did that with Japan and now relations are great.
The whole war is like one huge bully trying to win a fight against a stubborn 5year old without hurting him. Might as well kill him already. Hit them hard until they surrender.
We did that with Japan and now relations are great.
How is that so when he has managed to fend off his political enemies by using the intifada as an excuse to consolidate power? Sharon is doing what he does best, using the enemy's own tactic to his overall advantage. It is what brought him to power, and unless the arabs realize that terror won't win them a centimeter of land with Sharon, it is what will keep him there. Sharon relies on fear to stay in power and the arabs are providing plenty of it. If the security situation was to turn for the better, he would be out of office.
How do you know what I'm (not) capable of living in?
A couple of things. Neither side is trying to win without hurting the other, because people on both sides, innocent and guilty, are frequently being killed.
And thank you for pointing out Israel and its bullying of Palestine. Destroying 2000 homes was not necessary, it is effectively a bully boy tactic.
the onus is on the p.a. to act against their terrorist elements. until they do, isreal will do it for them. isreal would much prefer if the p.a. would
act responsibly and destroy the very groups who are a threat to all; to them, to the peace process, to isreali citizens, to a possible re- escalation
of the conflict unto a wider theatre.
if nobody trusts sharon to dismantle the settlements, then the p.a. should place him in the position of not having the 'hamas card' to play. the
security concerns is isreal's trump issue which only an effective and determined p.a. counter-offensive against the militants will solve.
sad thing is that the Palestinians only have the terrorist card on hand, if they loose that they have nothing to bargain for in future peace deals, so its no wonder they wont do dismantle them untill they are sure Israel is commited to a long term peace plan
hope this goes through though
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hope this goes through though
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1160236
its not sad, but tragic and self-destructive - if true. the isrealis, nor any gov't, would ever negotiate under threat. this so-called 'terrorist card' is
infinitely more dangerous to the p.a. because they have shown themselves impotent against the militants. a few made-for-tv raids, including
the closing of one gaza tunnel under former p.a. prime minister mahmoud 'new measures' abbas., does not make an anti-terrorist campaign.
the p.a. would be playing a card they don't control, and which has other ideas about how to conduct negotiations.
give the Palestinians half of Iraq. then they will be surrounded by their arab brothers, and there will be no need to worry about the Zionists anymore
Or give the Israelis 3/4 of Canada, then they will be surrounded by the Americans who love them so much, and there will be no need to worry about the terrorists anymore.
people are failing to see the reason why most of those houses were destroyed. the palestinians were smuggling in anti-aircraft missiles and heavy artillery from egypt. most of those tunnels end inside homes so that they cant be spotted from the air. maybe if they didnt smuggle weapons into their homes, israel wouldnt have to destroy them. stop giving the IDF reasons to go into gaza/west bank! also, a considerable number of homes were destroyed/damaged from the many stray anti-tank rockets that were being fired.
more from the local tv station
70000 people live there, there is no water, no electricity, no plumbing because they have all been disrupted by the IDF and also alot of farming areas have been destroyed
70000 people live there, there is no water, no electricity, no plumbing because they have all been disrupted by the IDF and also alot of farming areas have been destroyed
doesn't it phase you that these tunnels were found inside these houses ?!?! its stated in your own link. how do you keep your blinders up ?
yes yes, they have found what 5 tunnels, over 300 homes destroyed, guess my math sucks compared to yours
and is it surprising that the palestinians want weponry to defend thier homes against israeli "operations" ?
and is it surprising that the palestinians want weponry to defend thier homes against israeli "operations" ?
if the isrealis can find them, why can't the p.a. ? don't answer that . . . we all know the p.a. is aware of these tunnels existence, and
does nothing ! ! ! absolutely nothing ! all we ask of the p.a. is to enforce the law. nothing more. and they can't - or refuse - to do
even that. this makes the p.a. directly responsible for the destruction wrought by these isreali defensive operations due to their
own willful negelct and possible complicity in terrorist activities.
furthermore, this has nothing to do with palestinian self-defense. the isrealis will act to close these illegal tunnels for fear they could
lead to catastrophic crimes by these militants. they can easily employ those stingers against commercial aircraft. what isn't reported
is that the isrealis made their fears known to the p.a. and the p.a., ofcourse, did nothing. 'nothing' is becoming synonymous with
palestinian authorty.
0roo0roo
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mlk and ghandi didn't start off by rejecting peace offers over and over, from the first UN partition they rejected it, went to war. they sided with the wrong side in two world wars, their leaders consulted with hitler, they resorted to terrorism long before occupation, they supported wars against israel twice. it is they that inculcate their children with religious/racial hatred through their schoolbooks, just as the nazi's did. they are in this situation because they embraced violence from the start, even killing their own who wanted peace. don't even start comparing them to the situations of ghandi or mlk
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
mlk and ghandi didn't start off by rejecting peace offers over and over, from the first UN partition they rejected it, went to war. they sided with the wrong side in two world wars, their leaders consulted with hitler, they resorted to terrorism long before occupation, they supported wars against israel twice. it is they that inculcate their children with religious/racial hatred through their schoolbooks, just as the nazi's did. they are in this situation because they embraced violence from the start, even killing their own who wanted peace. don't even start comparing them to the situations of ghandi or mlk
Rejected it from the start? It was there land to begin with, why should they agree to giving half of it up? And don't start with the historical/biblical bs. They were driven from their homes and countless many lost everything, how can you expect them to just turn the other cheek? What would you do if tomorrow the UN or someone decides that were going to give up half ot the US to the Native Americans cause it's historically theirs? What would you do if you lived on the half they wanted to give up? Just say ok, see ya later? I don't think so. You would fight, and if you lost, you would keep fighting. Try to personalize it, makes it easier to understand where people are coming from.
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