UN human rights commission to investigate Israel.

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In breaking news today, the UN human rights commission gained majority approval to investigate Israeli settlement policy in disputed areas and also reopen war crimes charges against Israeli regarding operation cast lead.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...s-settlement-activities-in-west-bank-1.420242

Predictably the Bozo Netanyuhu response was to demand that the UN human rights commission investigate someone anyone besides Israel.

On only one point can I agree with Netanyuhu, and that regards Syria as a new crisis as new violation of human rights as important as the longer standing Israeli violations of human rights.

I agree there is a seeming bias in the human rights commission findings, as the Human rights commission should investigate both Israel and Syria. Why do only one without putting equal priority on both? As the only true way to avoid bias.
 

DCal430

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The so called UN Human Rights commission is a joke, no one takes them seriously anymore. IT is made up of some of the biggest human rights violators on the planet.
 

woolfe9999

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The "Bozo" is exactly right:

Netanyahu added that out of 91 decisions made by the UN body to date, 39 dealt with Israel. "Only three of the decisions dealt with Syria, and only one with Iran. It was enough to hear the Syrian ambassador speaking today about human rights to understand the extent which the council is out of touch with reality."

The UN has shown repeatedly that it doesn't give a rip about "human rights." If they did, there would be some sense of proportion regarding how much time they spend "investigating" the actions of one country versus another, and how many "resolutions" they choose to issue condemning one nation or another. This is about anti-Israel politics, particularly in the developing world. Politics is about all the UN is really about.

Different day, same story. The UN will come back with a "report" which can be predicted almost word for word. Another condemning resolution will come out of it. And nothing will be any different.

- wolf
 

zinfamous

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Well, Big BB is guilty of a short term memory and of ignoring the tides of history when he questions the UN's disproportionate attention to the state of Israel.

You see, the UN created Israel, and by virtue, is greatly responsible for the resulting problems of dividing a nation and introducing foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_and_the_United_Nations

So, it's only logical, don't you think, that the creating body of a nation, would be disproportionately interested in the behavior of the nation that they...well "own," so to speak.
 
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Well, Big BB is guilty of a short term memory and of ignoring the tides of history when he questions the UN's disproportionate attention to the state of Israel.

You see, the UN created Israel, and by virtue, is greatly responsible for the resulting problems of dividing a nation and introducing foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_and_the_United_Nations

So, it's only logical, don't you think, that the creating body of a nation, would be disproportionately interested in the behavior of the nation that they...well "own," so to speak.
The UN didn't divide a nation. There was no nation in the first place. The UN set up the partition of territory that the Ottoman Empire lost in WW1, a partition that Israel accepted and the Palestinians refused. Now they want to accept land from over 40 years ago that they lost through repeated acts of aggression against Israel along with their Arab puppet masters.

Boo fucking hoo. It's their own stupid decisions that got them where they are and now they want a do-over. Sorry, but bad life decisions bite you in the ass and the Palestinians haven't learned to live with those bad decisions to this very day. When/if they do maybe peace can finally reign in the ME.
 

Karl Agathon

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The so called UN Human Rights commission is a joke, no one takes them seriously anymore. IT is made up of some of the biggest human rights violators on the planet.

Wow!!! Just looking at some of the member states of this so called "human rights" commission make it look like a complete farce. Also, from the looks of it, seems that they loooveee going after Israel, but also seem to virtually ignore other nations with vastly worst human rights records. I would ask why this happens, but its fairly self-explanatory.
 

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Wow!!! Just looking at some of the member states of this so called "human rights" commission make it look like a complete farce. Also, from the looks of it, seems that they loooveee going after Israel, but also seem to virtually ignore other nations with vastly worst human rights records. I would ask why this happens, but its fairly self-explanatory.

Na, they are a body of utmost principle. They even had a resolution to remove Syria from the HRC. Of course that was defeated 35-8 because poor Syria has been so unfairly abused by the world press. Such indignity they must endure. Well such is life.

Oh I forgot their resolutions against the human rights violations of Iran for mowing down it's protesters. North Korea is curiously forgotten. Perhaps that's ok since they have perhaps 70,000 Christians in prison camps, something bound to be approved by some. That they routinely execute whomever they like is also inconsequential. Then there's the ever popular Burma, where state sponsored rape and torture are merely educational aids. One can see how the UN could find that acceptable compared to the horrors Israel commits. :rolleyes:
 
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dainthomas

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If I was a world leader, I would actually consider it an honor to be investigated by the HRC.
 

OCGuy

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I'm sure this "investigation" will really go places. If this is some small victory for muslims against Israel, let them have it. It means nothing.
 

fskimospy

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The "Bozo" is exactly right:



The UN has shown repeatedly that it doesn't give a rip about "human rights." If they did, there would be some sense of proportion regarding how much time they spend "investigating" the actions of one country versus another, and how many "resolutions" they choose to issue condemning one nation or another. This is about anti-Israel politics, particularly in the developing world. Politics is about all the UN is really about.

Different day, same story. The UN will come back with a "report" which can be predicted almost word for word. Another condemning resolution will come out of it. And nothing will be any different.

- wolf

They most certainly care about human rights, they just don't exclusively care about human rights. The repeated resolutions against Israel's human rights violations are in some part a response to the international community's inability to more effectively force Israel to cease human rights violations through other UN bodies like the Security Council (due to the US' veto power) Not that Israel cares about ignoring UNSC resolutions either.

You can rest assured that although Israel might be the target of more HRC resolutions than Israel, much more will eventually be done by the international community to address Syria than Israel.

I think people's complaints about the UN stem from expecting too much from it. It generally doesn't accomplish much, but sometimes it does, and it's certainly better than nothing.
 

JEDIYoda

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In breaking news today, the UN human rights commission gained majority approval to investigate Israeli settlement policy in disputed areas and also reopen war crimes charges against Israeli regarding operation cast lead.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...s-settlement-activities-in-west-bank-1.420242

Predictably the Bozo Netanyuhu response was to demand that the UN human rights commission investigate someone anyone besides Israel.

On only one point can I agree with Netanyuhu, and that regards Syria as a new crisis as new violation of human rights as important as the longer standing Israeli violations of human rights.

I agree there is a seeming bias in the human rights commission findings, as the Human rights commission should investigate both Israel and Syria. Why do only one without putting equal priority on both? As the only true way to avoid bias.

Kind of being disingenuous with your thread title.....
There is a huge difference between a full blown investigation as opposed to a probe or a fact finding mission.....

Hardly an investigation when they are dispatching an "independant" -- now when the UN uses the terminology - "independant" thats really an oxymoron.

Here is the article ---
The United Nations' Human Rights Council voted on Thursday to appoint a panel charged with evaluating the effects of Israeli settlement construction on Palestinian human rights in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. --- oh its now an evaluation....oh my those poor Palestinians!

According to the text of the decision, the UN will "dispatch an independent international fact-finding mission, to be appointed by the President of the Human Rights Council, to investigate the implications of the Israeli settlements on the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem." -- now its a fact finding mission.....this keeps getting better and better...

The committee's mandate will be to submit a report on the topic to the council. The decision also called on Israel "not to obstruct the process of investigation and to cooperate fully with the mission." --- oh my they are going to submit a report.....awwwww.....why would israel obstruct an investigation by people who are biased against Israel???

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reacted harshly to the decision, calling the body a "hypocritical council with an automatic majority against Israel." He added that the council "should be ashamed of itself, and has nothing to do with human rights."

Netanyahu added that out of 91 decisions made by the UN body to date, 39 dealt with Israel. "Only three of the decisions dealt with Syria, and only one with Iran. It was enough to hear the Syrian ambassador speaking today about human rights to understand the extent which the council is out of touch with reality." ---you go Syria!! The bastion of human rights!!! A lobe voice crying in the wilderness!

Thirty-six states voted in favor of the decision, while ten states abstained, including the Czech Republic, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Costa Rica, Italy and Spain. The United States was the only country to vote against it.

Israel's ambassador to the UN in Geneva Aharon Leshno-Yaar criticized the decision. "Despite the fact that this is my fourth year in Geneva, I am still stunned by the hypocrisy of the Human Rights Council," he said in a speech.
---- well some of us are not stunned by the level of hypocrisy!!

"This council itself is adding fuel to the fire and fanning the flames which it should be trying to put out. Today will not be remembered as a great day for this council," he added. ---yep!

Palestinian ambassador to the UN Ibrahim Khraishisaid Israel's occupation should be condemned as a violation of human rights. --- awwww.....are the palestinians members of the Un yet...hmmm

"We don't want to isolate Israel, but when we see that Israel hasn't stopped taking over our lands, we must act. If this situation continues, how will we be able to apply a two-state solution? The occupying power is violating international law… one day there will even be limits on the air that we breathe," he added. ---- a bit melodramatic I would say!

U.S. ambassador to the UN in Geneva said that the decision harmed efforts to restart negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians and would not help protect the human rights of Israelis and Palestinians. "We don't accept the legitimacy of construction in the settlements, but we are disturbed by this one-sided and biased decision," she said.

"Anyone who supports the creation of an independent Palestinian state must support efforts to renew negotiations and refrain from taking steps that harm this effort… This won't promote peace, it will only push the sides further away from one another," the ambassador added. -- exactly!!

Syria's ambassador accused Israel of accelerating settlement construction, which he deemed a violation of the Geneva Conventions and an "act of piracy." ---- Syria the bastion of human rights!!

The decision was one of five approved by the council on Thursday which were critical of Israel. Others dealt with Israel's occupation of the Golan Heights, the Palestinian's right to self-determination, the state of human rights in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and the implementation of the Goldstone report's recommendations following Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip in 2008-2009. -

Israel's Foreign Ministry said in response, "The Palestinians must understand that they can't have it both ways: they can't enjoy cooperation with Israel and at the same time initiate political clashes in international forums. Had the Palestinians wanted to solve the settlements issue, they would resume without delay a direct and unconditional negotiation on all core issues within the framework of a comprehensive agreement."
 

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They most certainly care about human rights, they just don't exclusively care about human rights. The repeated resolutions against Israel's human rights violations are in some part a response to the international community's inability to more effectively force Israel to cease human rights violations through other UN bodies like the Security Council (due to the US' veto power) Not that Israel cares about ignoring UNSC resolutions either.

You can rest assured that although Israel might be the target of more HRC resolutions than Israel, much more will eventually be done by the international community to address Syria than Israel.

I think people's complaints about the UN stem from expecting too much from it. It generally doesn't accomplish much, but sometimes it does, and it's certainly better than nothing.

When a group charged with investigating human rights is comprised of numerous members whose own records on human rights are terrible, and when said group disproportionately targets one particular nation with a record that is not nearly as bad as many of its members, and does so to distract from their own human rights abuses, in that case the value of said group is actually a net less-than-zero. When I see that this group currently has members like Saudi Arabia and the Congo, you'll pardon me if I have to gag when they opine about the "human rights" of other nations. Such nations should not be allowed in such a body until they clean up their own acts.

How many times is this group going to use tax payer money contributed from various governments, especially our own, to re-investigate and re-re-investigate and-re-re-re-investigate the living circumstances of a group which frankly is better off in most ways than the populations of many of the members nations?

How many investigations and resolutions did this group undertake with respect to the genocide in the Sudan versus what has been happening between Israel and the Pals? How many people died there compared to what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza?

I agree with you that the UN is a net positive compared to the alternative of not having an international body of this type. But this particular function of the UN is corrupt.

- wolf
 
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Craig234

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If I was a world leader, I would actually consider it an honor to be investigated by the HRC.

They list some condemnations by the UN HRC that are wrong. Include some not involving Israel as well. Let's hear about the things you are 'honored by'.

Maybe you are honored to be condemned for massive rape as an act of war? Perhaps by child enslavement and use as soldiers? Perhaps the use of chemical weapons on kids?
 

Howard

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The so called UN Human Rights commission is a joke, no one takes them seriously anymore. IT is made up of some of the biggest human rights violators on the planet.
Also funny is that this is the guy that tries to cast doubt on any reports of human rights violations in NK.
 

dainthomas

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They list some condemnations by the UN HRC that are wrong. Include some not involving Israel as well. Let's hear about the things you are 'honored by'.

Maybe you are honored to be condemned for massive rape as an act of war? Perhaps by child enslavement and use as soldiers? Perhaps the use of chemical weapons on kids?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, don't get your undies in a knot. The point is a lot of their condemnations are politically-oriented jokes, and many of the countries doing the condemning have their own glaring issues.
 

DucatiMonster696

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The UN didn't divide a nation. There was no nation in the first place. The UN set up the partition of territory that the Ottoman Empire lost in WW1, a partition that Israel accepted and the Palestinians refused. Now they want to accept land from over 40 years ago that they lost through repeated acts of aggression against Israel along with their Arab puppet masters.

Boo fucking hoo. It's their own stupid decisions that got them where they are and now they want a do-over. Sorry, but bad life decisions bite you in the ass and the Palestinians haven't learned to live with those bad decisions to this very day. When/if they do maybe peace can finally reign in the ME.

Let me correct one point here.

How the hell did Palestinians reject this plan when at the time of the negotiations there were no Palestinians or Palestinian nation?

The answer is that it was not the "Palestinians" who rejected the UN plan but rather the Arabs in the area and the surrounding Arab nations who rejected the plan because they wanted to divide up the area amongst the existing surrounding existing Arab states.

The so called "Palestinian" clap trap was/is nothing more then a Arab ploy to hold onto a now long since defunct claim to that region now called Israel after they got their collective asses handed to them after many occasions of them belligerently attacking the Jewish people who make up the state of Israel.
 
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werepossum

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I think this is a great idea!

There might possibly be someone living under a rock somewhere who is not yet aware that the UN Human Rights Commission is a complete and utter joke. The UN HRC has an obligation to correct that deficiency.
 

Zebo

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3/4 of those countries have extrajudicial killings, torture, and hate jews openly. 1/4 still have slavery. I wouldn't listen to a word of it.