Ummm... BestBuy screwing me?

Jeff7181

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I live in Michigan... I bought an item on BestBuy.com and was charged tax, obviously because there's BestBuy stores in Michigan where it would be shipped from. However... I just got the tracking information and it's coming from Illinois. Why am I being charged sales tax on something from out of state?????
 

pulse8

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The company just needs a presence in your state to be charged taxed. It doesn't need to be shipped from there.
 

Aves

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat12098&categoryId=cat10001&type=page&contentId=1043363603193

Do I pay tax?

Your BestBuy.com purchase includes sales tax. The amount is based on where your purchase is being delivered or picked up. We charge all applicable state and local taxes for the order's shipping or store pickup address. Because Best Buy does business throughout the United States and collects and remits sales tax as required by law, BestBuy.com also collects and remits sales tax as appropriate.

If you have tax exempt status, please visit any of our Best Buy retail stores or contact our commercial sales division, BestBuyBiz, at www.BestBuyBiz.com, or 1-800-373-3050. You will be required to provide your state tax exempt certification prior to purchase. Best Buy reserves the right not to sell to resellers.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I live in Michigan... I bought an item on BestBuy.com and was charged tax, obviously because there's BestBuy stores in Michigan where it would be shipped from. However... I just got the tracking information and it's coming from Illinois. Why am I being charged sales tax on something from out of state?????

Nothing to do with where it's shipped from. Everything to do with whether or not the company with which you are doing business has a PRESENCE in your state. Presence could be an office, a warehouse, a call center, a salesman, a drop shipper....
 

Mayfriday0529

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i bought somethign from Circuit City in NY for 19.95 and i paid 19.95 and free shipping, no TAX. Circuit city is only 20 minutes away driving so why different set of rules.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: minendo
Sounds like you better add them to your boycott list.

You're actually a little more annoying than your post count suggests...
 

Tom

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some companies the website store is a seperate entity so that's why.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I live in Michigan... I bought an item on BestBuy.com and was charged tax, obviously because there's BestBuy stores in Michigan where it would be shipped from. However... I just got the tracking information and it's coming from Illinois. Why am I being charged sales tax on something from out of state?????

Nothing to do with where it's shipped from. Everything to do with whether or not the company with which you are doing business has a PRESENCE in your state. Presence could be an office, a warehouse, a call center, a salesman, a drop shipper....

the state still charges you tax even if there isnt' a business there, it's just that the business doesn't usually collect it.
 

RagingBITCH

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If you do business within a company in a different state, whether or not they actually have a physical prescence in that state, they can charge/force the consumer to pay sales tax. (California is notorious for it's Sales Use Tax and high enforcement) Ex. - the company I work for now was audited for 3 months by the state of CA and forced last year to start charging CA Sales Use Tax when shipping to CA, even though we only have a physical prescence in the state of Texas. AFAIK, CA is the only one with ridiculous tax policies such as this.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Jnetty99
i bought somethign from Circuit City in NY for 19.95 and i paid 19.95 and free shipping, no TAX. Circuit city is only 20 minutes away driving so why different set of rules.

Different company. Most likely the online/B&M stores are different entities under the same name. There's a similar situation with The Good Guys. Their online company is based out of Oregon and as such there's no tax when buying from them even though the B&M store is like 1.5 miles down the road from me in Cali.
 

zbalat

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Illinois' sales tax is 6.25% so you saved .25% of tax. Be grateful.
 

Mayfriday0529

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: Jnetty99
i bought somethign from Circuit City in NY for 19.95 and i paid 19.95 and free shipping, no TAX. Circuit city is only 20 minutes away driving so why different set of rules.

Different company. Most likely the online/B&M stores are different entities under the same name. There's a similar situation with The Good Guys. Their online company is based out of Oregon and as such there's no tax when buying from them even though the B&M store is like 1.5 miles down the road from me in Cali.

if they are different company what happens if i had choosen to pick up the item at there local store for same price?
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
If you do business within a company in a different state, whether or not they actually have a physical prescence in that state, they can charge/force the consumer to pay sales tax. (California is notorious for it's Sales Use Tax and high enforcement) Ex. - the company I work for now was audited for 3 months by the state of CA and forced last year to start charging CA Sales Use Tax when shipping to CA, even though we only have a physical prescence in the state of Texas. AFAIK, CA is the only one with ridiculous tax policies such as this.

Doesn't that violate some kind of interstate commerce law?

ElFenix, you are correct, but splitting hairs. You are technically obligated to pay sales tax on all purchases, but the seller MUST collect sales tax if it has a presence in your state. For other transactions, you are supposed to report and remit the tax. Few people bother.
 

deftron

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Looks like it ....

At least they could have the goddam common courtesy to give you a reach-around



 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Jnetty99
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: Jnetty99
i bought somethign from Circuit City in NY for 19.95 and i paid 19.95 and free shipping, no TAX. Circuit city is only 20 minutes away driving so why different set of rules.

Different company. Most likely the online/B&M stores are different entities under the same name. There's a similar situation with The Good Guys. Their online company is based out of Oregon and as such there's no tax when buying from them even though the B&M store is like 1.5 miles down the road from me in Cali.

if they are different company what happens if i had choosen to pick up the item at there local store for same price?

Partners sharing the same name? I'm honestly not sure.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
If you do business within a company in a different state, whether or not they actually have a physical prescence in that state, they can charge/force the consumer to pay sales tax. (California is notorious for it's Sales Use Tax and high enforcement) Ex. - the company I work for now was audited for 3 months by the state of CA and forced last year to start charging CA Sales Use Tax when shipping to CA, even though we only have a physical prescence in the state of Texas. AFAIK, CA is the only one with ridiculous tax policies such as this.

Doesn't that violate some kind of interstate commerce law?

ElFenix, you are correct, but splitting hairs. You are technically obligated to pay sales tax on all purchases, but the seller MUST collect sales tax if it has a presence in your state. For other transactions, you are supposed to report and remit the tax. Few people bother.

I'm no CPA nor an accountant but from what I was told (that I remember anywho), it was by the California Board of Equalization that any customer who orders from our website or over the phone and has the products shipped to California qualifies as a taxable transaction unless the customer is a reseller or exempt.
 

RagingBITCH

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http://www.boe.ca.gov/sutax/faqusetax.htm

5. What is the difference between sales tax and use tax?

The California sales tax is imposed on all California retailers. It applies to all retail sales of tangible personal property in the state. Retailers making sales in the State of California are required to remit the sales tax to the Board of Equalization. Retailers are required to pay and report sales taxes to the Board of Equalization and they have the option of collecting sales tax reimbursement from their customers. Almost all retailers utilize this option. Whether or not a retailer collects the sales tax, the retailer is liable to remit the tax due.

The California use tax is imposed on consumers of tangible personal property that is used, consumed, or stored in this state. Use tax applies to purchases from out-of-state vendors that are not required to collect tax on their sales. Use tax also applies to most leases of tangible personal property.

The sales tax and the use tax are "mutually exclusive," which means either sales tax or use tax applies to a single transaction, but not both.

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6. Why would an out-of-state company charge me California sales or use tax?

Any out-of-state company that is "engaged in business" in the State of California must register with the Board of Equalization to collect use tax on their retail sales of tangible personal property to California customers.
"Engaged in business" can include:

A permanent or temporary office, distribution center, sales or sample room, warehouse, or other place of business in California.
Having a representative in California who makes sales, takes orders, installs merchandise, trains customers, or makes deliveries.
Receiving rental payments from the lease of tangible personal property that is located in California. There are many out-of-state companies not physically "engaged in business" in the State of California that make retail sales to California consumers. These companies usually solicit orders via the Internet or through mail order. Their only connection to California is shipping merchandise by U.S. mail or other common carrier to California customers.
Some out-of-state companies with no physical presence voluntarily register with the Board of Equalization as a courtesy to their California customers. They collect the California use tax from their California customers. This relieves California customers of their use tax liability, if they retain proof of their payment of use tax to the vendor. Once registered with the Board of Equalization the out-of-state company is legally obligated to collect the use tax. California consumers are advised to review their receipts from out-of-state companies to determine if they were charged California use tax. It is also important for customers to determine if they were charged the proper rate of tax for the area where they use, store or consume the merchandise. For example, if an Alameda County consumer was only charged 7.25 percent use tax on taxable merchandise, he/she would be liable for the remaining 1.00 percent tax on the purchase because Alameda County has an 8.25 percent sales and use tax rate.

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7. Can the Board of Equalization require out-of-state companies to register to collect California use tax?

It depends. If an out-of-state company is "engaged in business" in California they must register with the Board of Equalization to collect use tax on their retail sales of tangible personal property to California customers. However, if an out-of-state company is not "engaged in business" in California, U. S. Supreme Court cases have been interpreted to mean that the Board of Equalization is prohibited from requiring these companies to register to collect California use tax from their customers.

In reference to my example ^
 

dman

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
If you do business within a company in a different state, whether or not they actually have a physical prescence in that state, they can charge/force the consumer to pay sales tax. (California is notorious for it's Sales Use Tax and high enforcement) Ex. - the company I work for now was audited for 3 months by the state of CA and forced last year to start charging CA Sales Use Tax when shipping to CA, even though we only have a physical prescence in the state of Texas. AFAIK, CA is the only one with ridiculous tax policies such as this.

Doesn't that violate some kind of interstate commerce law?

ElFenix, you are correct, but splitting hairs. You are technically obligated to pay sales tax on all purchases, but the seller MUST collect sales tax if it has a presence in your state. For other transactions, you are supposed to report and remit the tax. Few people bother.

I'm no CPA nor an accountant but from what I was told (that I remember anywho), it was by the California Board of Equalization that any customer who orders from our website or over the phone and has the products shipped to California qualifies as a taxable transaction unless the customer is a reseller or exempt.

I'm not an expert but this concerns me because I don't know how california can audit a company out of state, what authority do they have to do that? If you refused what can they do about it? They can't ban you from shipping goods to their state right? It's very odd. [edit] #7 above seems to cover it, basically your company could refuse to allow them to audit you, etc, and they would be pretty powerless to do anything about it I guess. But, they might be able to make life difficult in otherways so it's probably easier to comply. Still, the following is true for florida at least: [/edit]

OTOH, they could possibly audit their citizens. Most states require you to pay sales tax on all goods purchased for personal use (that are taxable). Thus, I'm supposed to send 6% into the Fl.Dept.of Revenue when I make out-of-state purchases and they are sent to me. Of course, they can't possibly have the resources to track all that so most folks don't do that.


 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: dman

I'm not an expert but this concerns me because I don't know how california can audit a company out of state, what authority do they have to do that? If you refused what can they do about it? They can't ban you from shipping goods to their state right? It's very odd. [edit] #7 above seems to cover it, basically your company could refuse to allow them to audit you, etc, and they would be pretty powerless to do anything about it I guess. But, they might be able to make life difficult in otherways so it's probably easier to comply. Still, the following is true for florida at least: [/edit]

OTOH, they could possibly audit their citizens. Most states require you to pay sales tax on all goods purchased for personal use (that are taxable). Thus, I'm supposed to send 6% into the Fl.Dept.of Revenue when I make out-of-state purchases and they are sent to me. Of course, they can't possibly have the resources to track all that so most folks don't do that.

From what the CFO told me, she said that a company we've done lots of business with in the past located in CA was audited by the state for some reason or another. In auditing them, our name turned up a lot in their business transactions, and they found out that we had not registered with the state despite us being "engaged in business", which is a broad definition. We were then forced to register and pay sales use tax after that or risk some legal mumbo jumbo, which we are too small of a company to do so. I guess they could do so because we violated their law or something by not registering? :confused: This is pretty much all over my head so I'm just as clueless
 

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Originally posted by: deftron
Looks like it ....

At least they could have the goddam common courtesy to give you a reach-around
Did you read anything anyone posted? (assuming your reply is to the OP)