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alienpredatover

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Ok, I'm currently stuck with an Intel Pentium D 820 (2,8Ghz) + ASUS P5VD2 + 1.5Gb DDR2 + ATI3450 + 400Watt PSU. I don't do OC and I don't plan to do.

I need a new system that allows me to play at 1280*1024 medium/high setting.

Here are the things I can buy (I know there are other options but stores near my home dont have them)

Motherboards:
.FOXCONN G31MX-K - €35 (Intel)
.GIGABYTE M68M - €40 (AMD)

CPUs:
.AMD Sempron 2,7Ghz - €33
.Intel Celeron D 430 - €35
.Intel E5500 - €60
.Athlon II X2 260 - €65
.Intel E6500 - €72

GPUs:
.ASUS 4670 1gb DDR3 - €71
.ASUS 5570 1gb DDR2 - €71
.ASUS 9600gt 512mb DDR2- €75
.ASUS 5670 1gb GDDR5 - €95
.XFX 9800gt 512mb DDR3 - €91
.XFX 4830 512mb DDR3 - €91

PSU
.450W - €13
.500W - €15
.650W - €20

Assembly Costs - €20

Ok, so I need to get the most out of the less, which means I cant get above €170! The system is purely for gaming and my PSU is just 400watt. A 9800gt requires 550Watt and a 4830 450Watt yet the salesman says it works... (but I wonder...)

Well... that said... PLEASE HELP ME!
 
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Look into the current price of a GTX 460 768 mb. They have been going for a song and would be substantily more powerful than anything you've listed there. You absolutely cannot get anything shipped?
 
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alienpredatover

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No I can't ship :\
That is the cheapest store around here... and I cant think about AMD XIII cause there aint available... etc... the component I list above are the cheaper and available that can match my budget...
 
Zap

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alienpredatover said:
PSU
.450W - €13
.500W - €15
.650W - €20
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I'd worry about the quality of PSUs which are that cheap.

How about saving up some more? How about getting a part-time temp job for Christmas? Lots of stores hire temps around this time, and you can easily make hundreds.

Regarding your actual list, do not get a single core CPU. The E5500 is a very good value for the amount of performance it offers. The Radeon 4830 would probably be the best performance, but also the most power hungry. This brings us back to the crappy PSU selection.
 
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alienpredatover

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It is an all or nothing decision till the end of this week. I dont have more to spend, neither cant wait for prices to get down. If there aint any chance to get better than what I am with €170 then I'll have to stay with my current system : (
 
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Are you in prison or something? You should be trolling eBay or trying as best you can to get someone to ship you something used. All the hardware you mentioned will still probably not get you the gaming experience you are looking for.

IDK, maybe I am wrong, best of luck.
 
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alienpredatover

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I dont live in a prison, lol just some bad experiences with ship! One thing never arrived, and once I had to pay €40 to ship back cause the card didnt work,etc. anyway, doesnt matter. I also dunno how to assembly a mainboard or a cpu, so I have to pay someone to do me that.

the point, is:

With those components is it possible to get a better gaming experience?
Is yes, what should I buy? Will it be worthy?
 
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alienpredatover

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My current system:

ASUS P5VD2
Intel Pentium D 820 2,8Ghz
ATI 3450
1.5gb DDR2
400Watt PSU

Newegg doesnt ship to Europe anyway...even, prices here arent that high, its more me that am low on budget. If I could I would go for an i3 + 5770 which aint that much expensive... as I cannot, I really really have to try to match those things... or stay with my current system :(
 
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The graphics cards you are looking at don't actually require a high-wattage PSU (as listed) - what they require is a reliable quality PSU with sufficient current on the 12V rail. A 9800GT does not require a 550W PSU, heck, there are even Green versions of the 9800GT that sip power.

Can you provide more details on your PSU, such as brand and 12V output (as given on its label)? If it's not a POS, it should be able to power your system + a modern mid-range graphics card.
 
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alienpredatover

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I'm on Europe. I just have to know if i can pull a better gaming system with those components, I have to decide till Friday!

I though about:
Foxconn (€35) + E6500 (€72) + 4670 (€70) = €177
Foxconn (€35) + Celeron D 430 (€35) + 4830 (€91) = €160
 
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alienpredatover

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I dont understand nothing about that... I'll open the case and write everything about my PSU...
I said said that about the 9800gt cause it was written on the box (550watt) and the 4830 (450watt). I'll be back with info about my PSU asap!
 
Chapbass

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alienpredatover said:
I dont understand nothing about that... I'll open the case and write everything about my PSU...
I said said that about the 9800gt cause it was written on the box (550watt) and the 4830 (450watt). I'll be back with info about my PSU asap!
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Alien,

Regarding power wattages, you need to understand that 1 watt doesn't always equal 1 watt. What I mean by that, is a good, name brand high quality 400 watt power supply will be MUCH better than a cheapo, 30 dollar (euro?), 650 watt power supply.

The reason why it says 500 or whatever watts on the box is so that nvidia or AMD can cover their butt in case someone buys a junk 500 watt power supply that should really be rated at 250 watts (and in turn frys their video card from stress)

This is why people are asking for the manufacturer and power specs on your power supply. Your 400 watt power supply may very well be BETTER than the 500-600 watt power supplies in that store.

Let us know what those numbers are. Match up each voltage with its respective amps.

For example:

12v: 18a


Usually it will be on a long table with corresponding voltages and wattages. Heres an example:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=bNXiTNLELcHDnAeA4u3zDw&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAg

see where it says +12v:20a? That is one of the important ones when it comes to video card output. Regardless, give us all of them. If you can take a picture of the label, even better.
 
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betasub said:
The graphics cards you are looking at don't actually require a high-wattage PSU (as listed) - what they require is a reliable quality PSU with sufficient current on the 12V rail. A 9800GT does not require a 550W PSU, heck, there are even Green versions of the 9800GT that sip power.

Can you provide more details on your PSU, such as brand and 12V output (as given on its label)? If it's not a POS, it should be able to power your system + a modern mid-range graphics card.
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COLORSit
ATX 12v P4
AC INPUT: 230VAC IOA 50-60Hz
400W
+3.3v | +5v | +12V | -5V | -12V | +5VSB
20A | 30A | 20A | 0,5A | 0,6A | 2,5A
Model 350U-SPE
EN60950

It is good, bad, terrible, outstanding, vulgar, enough...?
 
Chapbass

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Also, I would STRONGLY consider buying online. I know you've had bad experiences in the past, but if you would tell us what country you live in, we can give you recommendations on some reputable online vendors that sell for cheap and wont screw you.

Yes, the internet is a scary place to be spending money if you dont know who is reputable, but there are TONS of deals on the internet that you won't be able to get in a normal store. If you're on a budget, thats where you should be looking.

we're trying to help you here, I would open up that restriction, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
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betasub

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Yeah, I know that's what's on the box. You are only saying what you see :)

GPU-Tech: Boss, I've got our graphics card running sweet on the test-rig with a 300W PSU.
Boss: But that's a proper brand-name PSU. There are a whole load of POS over-rated power supplies out there. We don't want to have to deal with loads of graphics cards as returns because it won't run on their POS no-name 400W power supply. Better cover our behinds, and put "550W required" on the box.
GPU-Tech: Yeah, even a 550W no-namer should be enough!
 
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alienpredatover

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Chapbass said:
Yes, the internet is a scary place to be spending money if you dont know who is reputable, but there are TONS of deals on the internet that you won't be able to get in a normal store. If you're on a budget, thats where you should be looking.
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Buy online is nice... it is just not nice when u are time\space limited and you dont know what u are doing (my case)
 
Davidh373

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Ok, the only processor that will be an upgrade in the one's listed would be the e6500, and I'd get the 9600 DDR2 if you can, otherwise get the 5570. Then I would get one 2GB stick of the cheapest DDR2 eventually to get rid of those 512MB sticks. That way when you decide later to upgrade to 4GB it will be a breeze.

I would keep the 400W (the salesman is right, none of those parts will burn 400W)

I would get the cheapest well branded mobo as well, which would be the Gigabyte.

So here it is
Foxconn (can you really not get a different brand?) - 35
E5500 - 60
9600GT - 75
Total - 171

You really can't do this man. This is like borderline crazy to spend this little. I can't even say if any of these parts will do you any good because we don't know the speed of your RAM. If your RAM isn't the right speed for the mobo, you'll have to stick it out untill you have money for new sticks (and I'd recommend at least 1GB Sticks if not 2GB sticks). I would save until you have 250. That way you can get the faster Core2 Duo (E6500) and a 9800, plus some new RAM. You also have to ask the person at the store if he will replace that mobo if it goes bad. Foxconn may have a warranty on it for 3 years, but that's if you can convince their tech support it's a problem with the mobo and not a different part. Plus you have to get an actual person on the phone, which I understand is a challenge with Foxconn...
 
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Ok, few aditional info:

.Portugal
.my ddr2 is 667mhz
.alternative motherboards: ASROCK G31M-GS - €39 and ASUS P5KPL €41
.I might get that 9800GT for €80
 
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alienpredatover said:
Ok, few aditional info:

.Portugal
.my ddr2 is 667mhz
.alternative motherboards: ASROCK G31M-GS - €39 and ASUS P5KPL €41
.I might get that 9800GT for €80
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I would get either of those brands over foxconn.

The foxconn only supports 800MHz. The ASRock and ASUS do support 667MHz
 
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alienpredatover

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So, atm this seems the better valor per money

ASROCK 40
9600GT or 9800 if its 80
E5500 60

180 total... 10 more but, whatever... there is just the PSU situation, anyone knows if its good enough or no to support the gfx?
 
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