Ultra Hd/4k televisions, Do You Own One?

[Ronstang]

What brand/model did you get?

The Sony Bravia XBR650A. I'm real happy with the TV. The picture on this TV at 65 inches looks better than the brand new 50 inch Sony TV I have in the office. The colors are stunning. You don't need content at 4K per se because the upscaling seems to work pretty darn good....and it handles motion fabulously.

 

[Kadarin]

A friend of mine got this one: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR-65X90...3898498&sr=1-8

My impression when I saw it was for non 4K content, the picture was no better than that of my Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN65H7...3898638&sr=1-2

I would like a 4K tv, with 4K content to watch on it... And I'd like an 84"-ish screen size, but I plan to wait a couple of years before doing this.

 

[hans030390]

I don't care for 4K, at least for the next few years or so. I'm more interested flat-panel tech that minimizes motion blur.

Some of the Sony TVs have something similar to this. Maybe some other brands as well.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Motion flow is pretty bad...look up soap opera effect for TVs and you will see. Reducing the blur of fast motion has downsides as well including increased input lag for gamers out there.

People keep talking about 60fps motion on TVs when movies are STILL only 24fps. So everything outside gaming is not going to look like that site does to exaggerate potential problems with motion. The issue is way overblown, to the point of hilarity. What are you going to do now that LCD tech is the only option? Never buy a tv? Hah...

Things will improve over time with new panel technology and electronics.

 

[cmdrdredd]

A friend of mine got this one: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR-65X90...3898498&sr=1-8

My impression when I saw it was for non 4K content, the picture was no better than that of my Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN65H7...3898638&sr=1-2

I would like a 4K tv, with 4K content to watch on it... And I'd like an 84"-ish screen size, but I plan to wait a couple of years before doing this.

If it is setup properly the picture is definitely better. How much better is subjective and will vary from person to person. My sister can't tell that my gaming TV which is a Sony W900A looks better than the Samsung in the other room but it does, markedly to me.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Motion flow is pretty bad...look up soap opera effect for TVs and you will see. Reducing the blur of fast motion has downsides as well including increased input lag for gamers out there.

People keep talking about 60fps motion on TVs when movies are STILL only 24fps.

Even with a 24p movie I can clearly see the difference in motion between an average plasma and a top LED. The issue is that most LED tvs can't maintain full screen resolution even at 24p.

So everything outside gaming is not going to look like that site does to exaggerate potential problems with motion. The issue is way overblown, to the point of hilarity.

It is only "overblown" because thanks to plasma it is easier to know that there is something better. Problem is the inferior technology for motion won in the market, so soon LED will look better simply because it lacks something to compare it to.

What are you going to do now that LCD tech is the only option?

Samsung's best plasma ever is still being sold. If people care about motion they have an option, but not for long.

Eventually LED should improve as more resources are thrown that way.

 

[hans030390]

Motion flow is pretty bad...look up soap opera effect for TVs and you will see. Reducing the blur of fast motion has downsides as well including increased input lag for gamers out there.

I'm very familiar with the soap opera look from these sort of interpolation features. Either what I'm reading is incorrect or your information is outdated. MotionFlow has several different types of settings with varying effects, at least on the 2013-2014 Sony TVs. It would appear MotionFlow now has an option that is similar to the strobing light used for 2D Lightboost, or maybe it inserts black frames. Either way, not interpolation, and only increases the input lag by about 5ms (still putting some of these Sony TVs below 30ms input lag, still some of the best on the market). I've even heard some of the interpolation methods on the Sony TVs were designed to not produce the soap opera effect somehow, though some of the options are what you'd typically expect from interpolation.

If you scroll down on this TV example, you'll see info on this in the MotionFlow Impulse section:

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800b

I have heard it works well for 60fps but not 30fps.

 

[SPBHM]

I think my 1080P TV is going to have many great years running downscaled high bitrate 4K videos...

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm very familiar with the soap opera look from these sort of interpolation features. Either what I'm reading is incorrect or your information is outdated. MotionFlow has several different types of settings with varying effects, at least on the 2013-2014 Sony TVs. It would appear MotionFlow now has an option that is similar to the strobing light used for 2D Lightboost, or maybe it inserts black frames. Either way, not interpolation, and only increases the input lag by about 5ms (still putting some of these Sony TVs below 30ms input lag, still some of the best on the market). I've even heard some of the interpolation methods on the Sony TVs were designed to not produce the soap opera effect somehow, though some of the options are what you'd typically expect from interpolation.

If you scroll down on this TV example, you'll see info on this in the MotionFlow Impulse section:

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800b

I have heard it works well for 60fps but not 30fps.

When you use that impulse feature it makes the image so dark you can hardly see the details. It really isn't even a solution.

I have tried all the motion flow options and they either didn't eliminate enough of the problem you used it to fix, or it gave the soap opera effect. So I resorted to simply not using it.

 

[hans030390]

Were you disabling the power saving or auto brightness settings when you tried impulse mode? I heard doing so alleviates the screen being too dim, a step many were unaware of, though I have read a few cases where folks still found it too dim after exhausting all of these options. I can't remember if some of the settings were relatively hidden or what.

I'm genuinely curious at this point as I am considering a TV with features like this in the future.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I never use dynamic brightness or contrast and always have power saving off. Impulse mode inserts black frames. I read that it is 75% black and 25% picture which makes the image too dark. When gaming it is harder to see the details, notably in the shadows. I would rather be able to see the details of the image than to have a minor blur reduction myself. I don't find the motion blur all that bad, I have never owned a 120hz monitor on my PC either so I guess I am used to it for gaming.

Maybe some people don't mind the darkened image.

 

[Kaido]

I use them at work, they make excellent high-resolution monitors & displays for kiosks & data displays. The first-gen Seikis (limitation of 30hz @ 4k) are on sale right now - $299 for the 39" & $429 for the 50":

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389561

I have both & they're pretty great for the price. 1080p looks great on the 50" for reading text on a shop floor. Pretty nice to have inexpensive, high-resolution displays available!

 

[Raduque]

It is like HD all over again, and those people who bought HDTVs without HDMI.

I did that. Bought a 50" RCA 1080i rear projection TV with one DVI and 3 component inputs.

 

[Hinda65]

I did that. Bought a 50" RCA 1080i rear projection TV with one DVI and 3 component inputs.

I still use my Sony 50" 1080i as my main screen...I bought a blue ray player a while back and have it hooked up with a hdmi to dvi. Watched the first season of game of thrones on blue ray and it looked awesome.

I noticed BB finally has a sony 65" with hdmi 2.0....I think it was still 5g's...That's the one I think im going to get once it hits the low $3000 range, which is what I paid for this sony back in 03 when the only Hi Def channels were HBO/ESPN and those nature shows where the plane fly's over brazil and Antarctica.

 

[Jumpem]

I am waiting for the Vizio P series to be released in the fall. It will have HDMI 2.0 and support HDCP 2.2.

http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-a...ass-p-series-ultra-hd-full-array-led-smart-tv

(P502ui-B1) $999.99
(P552ui-B2) $1,399.99
(P602ui-B3) $1,799.99
(P652ui-B2) $2,199.99
(P702ui-B3) $2,599.99