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Ultimate gaming rig... Buy now or wait for Yorkies ?

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imported_spike99

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I hope this is not too long... but here goes...

I'm a gamer ready to buy the ultimate gaming rig...

Due to space, I've always had a notebook to play games but I'm tired of my cpu always running at 100% when playing (2.1GHz)... I'm always playing at a disadvantage... My PC is not able to load maps fast enough... etc...

So now, I want to buy the ultimate gaming rig.... I've always bought from DELL but I am thinking of buying from CYBERPOWER PC. Although, I am not penny pinching... I'm looking to save over 1K buying from CYBERPOWER.... I have read some good and not so good reviews from CYBERPOWER but I think I may take a chance on them...

If I buy now... this is what I would buy...
Case: CoolMaster Stacker 830
CPU: QX6850 with Factory OC to 3.66GHz
Power Supply: Thermaltake ToughPower 1,000 Watts
Cooling Fan: Vigor Gaming Monsoon
Mother Board: Asus Striker Extreme nForce 680i SLI
Memory: 2GB
Video Card: 2 8800 GTX (SLI)
Monitor: DELL 24" (Buy directly from DELL)
Audio: Creative Labs: X-Fi Platinum (Buy separately)
Headphone: Tritton AX360 (Buy separately) - I plan to use optical output with sound card

The only thing holding me back is 2 things... Q4 arrival of Yorkfield and NVIDIA G92 (Possibly November 2007 for both)

I read Anand's wolfdale's performance.... Clock for clock... An average of 5% improvement over Conroe

So the question is... should I wait another 3 months... Another real question is if can I actually wait that long ?

What do you guys think ? Should I wait until November/December ?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions...

Too many questions here to limit it to CPU forum .... moving to GH.
CPU Moderator apoppin
 
Why not spend 1/2 of even 1/3th of what that system probably costs and upgrade later on. You could buy the coolmaster stacker, a q6600, a thermalright ultra extreme with sflex fan, a p5k from asus, 2/4gb of ddr 800, 1 8800gtx or perhaps a 8800gts 320mb from evga, the 24" screen, the soundcard and the headphone. Then, when the new videocards come out, you use the stepup program from evga to buy the 9800gtx. You overclock the q6600 g0 stepping yourself to 3.2-3.4ghz. The mobo doesn't support SLI, so you could also go with a cheap abit ip35 for 70$ and replace it with x38 when the newer processors come out. The soundcard seems to have trouble in Vista btw, might be worth looking into.

I'm guessing that rig from CYBERPOWER costs 3k or so? The components I named would cost about 1200-1400$ and is pretty much a high performance system. Leaves you to spend another 1600-1800$ to upgrade + the money you would get from selling the parts you've got now. Thing with hardware is, and you know it because you are asking if you should wait, is that they devalue really fast, and high-end hardware even more so because you pay a big price premium just for bragging rights. So it's better to spend a little less now, and spend that again in a year or so instead of spending it all right now right here.

Oh and for PSU, there's somewhat better options that will still power your rig just fine. http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2085028&enterthread=y scroll down 4 reply's to jonnyguru's reply.
These seem to be his suggestions for high power PSU units, with the last 4 being the most quiet. Even your rig will be fine on a 700-800w unit.

Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W/1200W
Ultra X3 800W/1000W
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 1000W
Enermax Infiniti 720W
Etasis 750W/850W
SilverStone Zeus 750W/850W
Ultra X-Pro 750W
 
I agree with everything MarcVenice said. Personally, components such as the QX6850 and GTX SLI are a waste, especially with the new GPUs coming out in a few months. One card a generation up from the current will easily trump two current generation cards in SLI while running on less power, generating less heat, and less noise. You'll be kicking yourself in a few months once the new GPU's come out. If you need your system then go ahead an purchase, but don't purchase from Cyberpower and get cheaper components that will more or less perform the same but you'll have thousands left for upgrades in the future. I'd personally go with Q6600, 4GB DDR2 800, and a single 8800 GTX. As for power supplies, I've only heard good things about Corsair 620HX and PC Power & Cooling 750W Silencer. They should both be enough to power your system.

To answer your question regarding Yorkfield, my answer is no. I doubt the 45nm shrink will have a huge impact on performance (only ~5% we've seen with Wolfdale vs Conroe). But if you plan on extreme OCing, then it may be worth it. IMO, I wouldn't purchase any Extreme edition processors because of the ridiculous price tag when all you're getting is a slightly higher clock speed and an unlocked multiplier.
 
Thanks for the replies...

Here is my problem... I have never built my own PC and I'm afraid I won't do something right... Building my own rig for the first time... I will definitely have alot of questions on how to do things... I will have to rely on forums for any issues... On the other hand, If I have a vendor build it... And I have a problem... Easier for me to phone them and have them walk me thru.... Maybe with this rig... I will have a chance to look/inspect it inside and see how it is set up.... And possibly building my own in the future after this one...

Yes, MarcVenice... the rig from CYBERPOWER with all the components will total almost 4K.. The same rig from Dell would be ~ 5K

In regards to Creative Labs having trouble with Vista.... It appears that they do have a problem with a particular mother board... According to Creative Lab forum... the say the below
The findings indicate that circumstances causing these audio glitches only arise on Nvidias nForce 4 range of motherboards, with the exception of the newest n590 board which does not exhibit this issue.

So I guess with Asus mother board.... I would not have a problem... but I will double check with them...


In terms of PSU, I prefer not to go with the bare minimum... I prefer to go with enough power for the future.... Below is what they have avaliable...

CoolerMaster 1,000 Watts Real Power Pro - Quad SLI Ready[-24]
NZXT 1,000 Watts Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready[-24]
SilverStone Strider 1,000 Watts PSU[-39]
Thermaltake ToughPower 1,000 Watts Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready[+0]
Ultra X3 1,000 Watts Energy Efficent Modular PSU (BLACK)[-27]

I will continue to ponder wether to it is worth waiting for Yorkfield & GPU's coming at the end of the year....
 
Spike, how old are you? I'm fairly sure you're older then me, and old and wise enough to do a thing or two on your own. Building a PC is actually rather easy, it's like a a 10 part jigsaw puzzle, that if handled with a LITTLE care will be up and running in no time. It's as simple as plugging a cord in, and everything fits perfect so you won't be guessing what to plug into where. 4k is a lot of money for that system and in my opinion can be spend a lot better. If it puts you at ease, you can PM me and ask me anything you want to know on building a PC and/or overclocking. But really, not only will you save yourself money, you will also get a lot of joy out of building it yourself and overclocking it yourself.

And to top it off, 750w isn't the bare minimum, it would be a fair bit above the bare minimum, 1000W is just overkill 🙂
 
MarcVenice, Thanks for the reply....

Yes, I am old enough 🙂

You are motiviating me on learning to build a PC... 🙂
I definitely will get some joy learning how all the parts come together...

I'm gonna start pricing the individual parts that are required... And let me see what the difference is....

I'll write back...

Thanks !!
 
Do yourself a favor, and don't spend that much on a PC. We all know that high-end computers depreciate rather quickly, but spending $3k+ isn't going to solve that problem. It'll just depreciate at a faster rate.

You would be MUCH better off spending $1500 on a desktop now (or in Nov), then spending $1500 on a whole new desktop two years later.

The exception would be the monitor, as it won't depreciate nearly as fast, and buying a good one will last you through several computers.
 
To do you another favor, here's how a good build looks like,

Asus p5k, 130$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131180
Q6600/E6850 300$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115017 * make sure it's a G0 stepping *
PSU, 200$, pick one of those suggestions above, like http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817194021
RAM, 4gb 160$ or so, 4x1gb, like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820145034
GPU, 290-550$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130082 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072 (evga because of stepup program )
HD: If you get money to spend, 1x 150gb raptor for OS and such, 1x500gb seagate/samsung whichever is better. 2x500gb will do just fine too though 😛
CASE: the coolmaster stacker is big overkill for a case, but it should last several builds, could always get a cheaper coolmaster, or antec p182 or whatever for 100-150$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811119103
Soundcard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16829102006 should fit the bill, only usefull when you've got some nice speakers though. Often the 8 channel audio on mobo's does a great job
HSF: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835109140 best of the best, should keep your q6600 cool enough at 3.4-3.6ghz.

This is assuming you're not going to SLI, the p5k simply can't. I wouldn't though, I'd buy a 8800gtx if I could afford it or perhaps even the 8800gts 320mb which I have myself, and runs Bioshock with everything on high just fine. Then use the stepup program in 3 months to get a 9800gtx or whatever nvidia will be releasing.

Keep in mind, there are other e-tailers in the USA, like fry's, compusa etc. Some will often offer better prices as newegg. With some luck you can get all the mentioned components for 1500$. If you don't sli, a different PSU will do btw, like a 550-650w version which might save 50$ or so.
 
Hi MarcVenice,

I wanted to thank you for your suggestion on the gaming rig... Comparing the price between buying individual components and total price from CYBERPOWER... pretty much the same price...

I'm gonna go with the vendor... only because of their warranty...

In the future, If I need to change anything or upgrade... I can just swap out the component instead of buying a new one....

In any case... Thanks...
 
Let us know your 3dmark06 score when you've got the PC 😉

Btw, the parts could be purchased a lot cheaper, a lot in the PC you mentioned is OVERKILL, like the qx6850, a qaud for a qaurter of the price could do 3.2-3.4ghz too with relative ease. But if you got the money it's a nice system to buy 🙂 Have fun with it ...
 
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