UK would run out of food a year from now with no-deal Brexit, NFU warns

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Jaskalas

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Lazy?

Food is attained through trade deals and negotiations. The EU already had those secured. UK, however, needs to come to terms with its independence and have the political will and leadership necessary to pay whatever price for their... prior decisions. Just look at the United States, political malaise can lead a country into many... traps.

Thankfully the UK has proper majority rule so they can enact necessary changes. Unlike us.
 
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UglyCasanova

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There doesn’t have to be a trade deal to import. That might help both sides in negotiating standards and terms and such but certainly not a prerequisite. Exporters in the EU want to make a buck, they aren’t going to say "no I can’t talk your gold fine sir, we haven’t had negotiations". Stick it on a boat and the market takes care of the rest.
 
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There doesn’t have to be a trade deal to import. That might help both sides in negotiating standards and terms and such but certainly not a prerequisite. Exporters in the EU want to make a buck, they aren’t going to say "no I can’t talk your gold fine sir, we haven’t had negotiations". Stick it on a boat and the market takes care of the rest.

You don't seem to understand that the EU trades as a block not as individual countries.

A bit of background.

What is the EU single market and how does Brexit affect it?

https://www.ft.com/content/1688d0e4-15ef-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e
 
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mikeymikec

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There is absolutely zero chance America would allow it's older brother to go down the Venezuela path.

You are kidding, right? If America gives aid to the UK, it will come with staggering debts to pay. "Older brother" analogies are both inaccurate and incredibly naive. The only interest that the UK has to Donald Trump is how many golf courses and hotels can be built on it.

the Brits are clever and resourceful people. They didn't stomp about the globe conquering people because they were lazy.

Yeah, unfortunately slaving out developing nations and gutting their resources is generally frowned upon these days.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Didn't the UK managed to feed themselves during WWII with importing any food?

With rationing, they barely fed 20 million fewer people than today. I suppose if they plowed the countryside under they could get staple foods.
 

UglyCasanova

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With rationing, they barely fed 20 million fewer people than today. I suppose if they plowed the countryside under they could get staple foods.

We've had a bit of a green revolution since WW2 also which if discussing is pretty important. But even if they do need to import there's nothing stopping them from doing so. They aren't going to starve.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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We've had a bit of a green revolution since WW2 also which if discussing is pretty important. But even if they do need to import there's nothing stopping them from doing so. They aren't going to starve.

No they won't starve but their economy may collapse as a result. That would be their doing as Trump is ours. At some point the piper must be paid.
 
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kage69

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You are kidding, right? If America gives aid to the UK, it will come with staggering debts to pay. "Older brother" analogies are both inaccurate and incredibly naive. The only interest that the UK has to Donald Trump is how many golf courses and hotels can be built on it.

I didn't say it would be free, and thankfully it wouldn't be solely up to Trump. Screw our common language, we have security and intelligence commitments to uphold and they are bigger than Donald Trump. Our connection has weathered worse than this disaster and it probably will do so again. At this point Il Douche still being in office in a year is questionable, but assuming he is, remember he considers himself "Scotch" and thinks the people there love him. Then there is the already brought up possibility of a special economic relationship with just the UK. Call them whatever you term makes you comfortable, we won't be letting them starve.

Yeah, unfortunately slaving out developing nations and gutting their resources is generally frowned upon these days.

If you read my comments again I think you'll notice they were devoid of approval. My comment was regarding the efficacy and resolve of the Brits, not the morality of colonialism or what people think of it now. As in, 'they're not going to rest on their laurels and watch their kids go hungry.'
 

UglyCasanova

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Maybe, maybe not. The voters decided independence was worth the risk and I can understand that certainly.
 

K1052

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No they won't starve but their economy may collapse as a result. That would be their doing as Trump is ours. At some point the piper must be paid.

Looking forward to the day when the government, if they no deal brexit, opens the UK to tariff free and non-inspected EU foods to avoid this outcome. They are not going to reciprocate.

It would be the final and most spectacular political capitulation to the cold reality of what's been done.
 

UglyCasanova

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Looking forward to the day when the government, if they no deal brexit, opens the UK to tariff free and non-inspected EU foods to avoid this outcome. They are not going to reciprocate.

It would be the final and most spectacular political capitulation to the cold reality of what's been done.


From the way it's been described in the thread the food passing through isn't being inspected now. So status quo I'm assuming in that regard. This is certainly uncharted territories on a country leaving the EU and will serve as a blueprint for any others that follow, but I'm somewhat amazed at the hysteria over them wanting to become their own sovereign country again.
 

K1052

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From the way it's been described in the thread the food passing through isn't being inspected now. So status quo I'm assuming in that regard. This is certainly uncharted territories on a country leaving the EU and will serve as a blueprint for any others that follow, but I'm somewhat amazed at the hysteria over them wanting to become their own sovereign country again.

The UK intends to inspect and levy duties on these cargos. Although they don't actually have a system that can scale to do this and won't for at least several years. They could waive customs and duties on imports but holy shitballs on the political and popular opinion fallout.

That's not status quo. Remotely.
 
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mikeymikec

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Maybe, maybe not. The voters decided independence was worth the risk and I can understand that certainly.

Incorrect. Brexit voters thought there was little or no risk, that the EU wouldn't want to give up an export partner and so would bend over backwards to keep trading with us, and how other countries would be lining up to make deals with us. They were duped into thinking that they would "have their cake and eat it" and not giving money to the EU meant giving £350m/week to the NHS. There was also a lovely bit of conflation between illegal immigration and legal immigration by the Leave campaign, and plenty of Brexit voters thought it would help keep out the darkies, despite the fact that such people were mostly not from the EU.

Any notion of risk was labelled as fearmongering, and pretty much every single economist who chimed in on the topic said leaving was a bad idea. Once experts had chimed in, the Leave campaign included the quote from Michael Gove of "Britain has had enough of experts".

@kage69 - fair enough, I just had the impression from your previous post that the milk of human kindness and general positivity were relevant to your points :)

I don't think anyone is going to starve as a direct result of Brexit, but I am concerned that a perfect storm of increased prices, reduced job opportunities, reduced growth, and many peoples' budgets which aren't well-planned at the best of times, will come together and result in a lot of unnecessary hardship/poverty.