UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

[Indus]

How did the UK Supreme Court define a woman and what happens now?

The U.K. Supreme Court has ruled that a woman is someone born biologically female and that transgender women are excluded from that legal definition.

apnews.com

"The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms woman and sex in the Equality Act 2010 refer to a biological woman and biological sex."

The Supreme Court judges stressed that their ruling should not be seen as an attack on transgender people. They said it “does not remove or diminish the important protections … for trans people” under the Equality Act, which bans discrimination against transgender people.

It’s unclear what the ruling will mean in practice.

“absolutely jubilant” at the ruling. “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling, a prominent supporter of the group, said the court victory had “protected the rights of women and girls across the U.K.”



Did anyone really think it would have a different outcome?

 

[dainthomas]

How did the UK Supreme Court define a woman and what happens now?

The U.K. Supreme Court has ruled that a woman is someone born biologically female and that transgender women are excluded from that legal definition.

apnews.com

"The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms woman and sex in the Equality Act 2010 refer to a biological woman and biological sex."

The Supreme Court judges stressed that their ruling should not be seen as an attack on transgender people. They said it “does not remove or diminish the important protections … for trans people” under the Equality Act, which bans discrimination against transgender people.

It’s unclear what the ruling will mean in practice.

“absolutely jubilant” at the ruling. “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling, a prominent supporter of the group, said the court victory had “protected the rights of women and girls across the U.K.”



Did anyone really think it would have a different outcome?

Why does that make Joanne happy? She literally has no life outside of this topic. She should give her money to someone who would put it to better use than being a bitter hag on the internet.

 

[pauldun170]

The Supreme Court judges stressed that their ruling should not be seen as an attack on transgender people. They said it “does not remove or diminish the important protections … for trans people” under the Equality Act, which bans discrimination against transgender people.

So biological females retain protected status and transgender also retain protected status, what's the long term view here from those impacted?
I've not reviewed any of the existing laws over there.

 

[Indus]

So biological females retain protected status and transgender also retain protected status, what's the long term view here from those impacted?
I've not reviewed any of the existing laws over there.

Yeah it's a nobody loses kind of verdict!

 

[HomerJS]

That ruling seems incomplete because there is no definition of a man. What happens with someone born with ambiguous genitalia?

 

[Pens1566]

Well, at least JK Rowling can finally shut the fuck up.

 

[mikeymikec]

Well, at least JK Rowling can finally shut the fuck up.

lol, as if. Bigots go on as long as there's someone's life they can make miserable.

 

[hal2kilo]

lol, as if. Bigots go on as long as there's someone's life they can make miserable.

Must be better than someone else. Fix yourselves.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, at least JK Rowling can finally shut the fuck up.

She took aim at asexuals for some reason recently.

 

[HomerJS]

Well, at least JK Rowling can finally shut the fuck up.

She’ll find another boogeyman

 

[Greenman]

From the article: The ruling could also see transgender female athletes excluded from participating in women’s and girls sports, and there could be ramifications in workplaces.
It seems to me the ruling clearly defines the place of trans men in women's sports. I would have thought most of you would be squarely against such a thing.

 

[mikeymikec]

From the article: The ruling could also see transgender female athletes excluded from participating in women’s and girls sports, and there could be ramifications in workplaces.
It seems to me the ruling clearly defines the place of trans women in women's sports. I would have thought most of you would be squarely against such a thing.

FTFY.

I would ask why the highest court of law in the land is ruling on sports regulations.

IMO it would make a lot more sense if the governing body for each sport made rulings based on scientific research regarding how medical interventions regarding gender have actually benefited an athlete's performance, and whether such benefits put transgender athletes at an advantage over non-trans athletes or whether they put a trans athlete within the range of say hormone levels considered normal for non-trans athletes.

 

[nakedfrog]

FTFY.

I would ask why the highest court of law in the land is ruling on sports regulations.

IMO it would make a lot more sense if the governing body for each sport made rulings based on scientific research regarding how medical interventions regarding gender have actually benefited an athlete's performance, and whether such benefits put transgender athletes at an advantage over non-trans athletes or whether they put a trans athlete within the range of say hormone levels considered normal for non-trans athletes.

You can use the word cis, Herr Musk isn't here to ban you for it

 

[brycejones]

From the article: The ruling could also see transgender female athletes excluded from participating in women’s and girls sports, and there could be ramifications in workplaces.
It seems to me the ruling clearly defines the place of trans men in women's sports. I would have thought most of you would be squarely against such a thing.

The thing that’s not really a big thing? All the shit wrong in the world and you’re hyper focused on what .0002% of athletes identify as in the case of the NCAA?

Conservatives have such an weird obsession with genitalia.

 

[brycejones]

She took aim at asexuals for some reason recently.

She must have been pissed that her only action lately is her dildo.

 

[Greenman]

FTFY.

I would ask why the highest court of law in the land is ruling on sports regulations.

IMO it would make a lot more sense if the governing body for each sport made rulings based on scientific research regarding how medical interventions regarding gender have actually benefited an athlete's performance, and whether such benefits put transgender athletes at an advantage over non-trans athletes or whether they put a trans athlete within the range of say hormone levels considered normal for non-trans athletes.

Clearly the UK supreme court thought it needed clarification. Or maybe they were just bored and looking for something to do.

 

[mikeymikec]

You can use the word cis, Herr Musk isn't here to ban you for it

My brain shouted "LINE!" and that's what came out

 

[pmv]

From the article: The ruling could also see transgender female athletes excluded from participating in women’s and girls sports, and there could be ramifications in workplaces.
It seems to me the ruling clearly defines the place of trans men in women's sports. I would have thought most of you would be squarely against such a thing.

Seems as if there are lots of consequences, that are only just becoming apparent.

e.g.

British Transport Police amends strip-searching policy after supreme court gender ruling

Male officers would carry out searches on trans women, BTP says, as it ‘reviews implications of ruling’

www.theguardian.com

How will UK judgment on legal definition of womanhood affect policy?

From the NHS, to sporting bodies and prisons, organisations will have to respond to supreme court ruling

www.theguardian.com

Sport seems the least significant issue involved (as I've said many times before, I'd solve that issue by everyone agreeing not to care about organised competitive sport or pay any attention to who is"best" at pointlessly running round in circles or jumping over things or throwing things for no good reason - the whole endevour is an idiotic waste of resources, in my opinion, and intrinsically impossible to make 'fair').

 

[Greenman]

Seems as if there are lots of consequences, that are only just becoming apparent.

e.g.

British Transport Police amends strip-searching policy after supreme court gender ruling

Male officers would carry out searches on trans women, BTP says, as it ‘reviews implications of ruling’

www.theguardian.com

How will UK judgment on legal definition of womanhood affect policy?

From the NHS, to sporting bodies and prisons, organisations will have to respond to supreme court ruling

www.theguardian.com

Sport seems the least significant issue involved (as I've said many times before, I'd solve that issue by everyone agreeing not to care about organised competitive sport or pay any attention to who is"best" at pointlessly running round in circles or jumping over things or throwing things for no good reason - the whole endevour is an idiotic waste of resources, in my opinion, and intrinsically impossible to make 'fair').

The reality is that it's the only sensible decision they could make. Anything else creates a convoluted mess and leaves natural born women out in the cold.

 

[brycejones]

The reality is that it's the only sensible decision they could make. Anything else creates a convoluted mess and leaves natural born women out in the cold.

Uh no. Also it’s an unsound decision because it states that sex is purely binary. Completely ignoring intersex conditions.

Here is the problem you want a simple answer. The real world has very few simple answers.

 

[hal2kilo]

The thing that’s not really a big thing? All the shit wrong in the world and you’re hyper focused on what .0002% of athletes identify as in the case of the NCAA?

Conservatives have such an weird obsession with genitalia.

And no sense of proportion.

 

[pmv]

IMO it would make a lot more sense if the governing body for each sport made rulings based on scientific research regarding how medical interventions regarding gender have actually benefited an athlete's performance, and whether such benefits put transgender athletes at an advantage over non-trans athletes or whether they put a trans athlete within the range of say hormone levels considered normal for non-trans athletes.

Sounds almost as if you expect sports administrators and officials to do some sort of "job", in return for their salaries, like ordinary folk. Nobody goes into the organised sport business to be expected to work.

The appeal is the chance for easy grifts and the opportunities for sexually predatory behaviour. It's politics for inarticulate people.

[edit - OK, granted, in the US _politics_ is politics for inarticulate people, but that's US exceptionalism]

 

[NWRMidnight]

Clearly the UK supreme court thought it needed clarification. Or maybe they were just bored and looking for something to do.

Are you insinuating that courts only take and rule on the most important issues only? Pretty sure history is littered with frivilious cases and rulings in the UK and the US that are for symbolic purposes only and really have no importance.

I am curious though, when are the courts going to start going thru the dictionary, defining it's contents so each entry only has one definition, or should it be the legislative branch? either way, Isn't it time, to put a stop to redefining definitions as society evolves? (/S)

 

[HomerJS]

I still haven’t seen an answer to the question what happens to people born with ambiguous genitalia.

 

[Moonbeam]

The thing that’s not really a big thing? All the shit wrong in the world and you’re hyper focused on what .0002% of athletes identify as in the case of the NCAA?

Conservatives have such an weird obsession with genitalia.

Everyone who hates themselves is obsessed with sex generally. Feelings of inferiority are caused by thinking, the capacity to name, ind in particular to define superior and inferior by one's past traumatic of being compared negatively and pressured by the threat of withdrawal of love for failure to change. Self hate is a form of violence transferred from experiences of it to the feeling that it was deserved. Violence is hate and hate is violence. In the brain feelings of hate and sex are closely located. You will see a lot of sexual violence in the world we have created. And the need to be good carries over into competition where one seeks greatness of one form or another as compensation, as ego denial of inferiority. Here the natural feelings given to social primates for fair play genetically rub up against the insanity of self hate and the feeling is easy to evoke in others for political gain that some deviants have horned their way into their ego feeding trough and are going to suck up all the glory they would never have had anyway.

You don't have to be the best at anything, you don't need power wealth glory or fame to feel good about being who you are. People who know that will tell you that God loves us all equally. That's because God IS love and that's who you become when you love everyone equally.

Clearly we have a lot of work to do.

Of course such work won't get done because we were already told we don't deserve to be even average much less some kind of god. it IS said though, that we are forgiven but who would believe that?