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techs

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These Uighur(sp?) guys who were just sent to Bermuda. The news says they received 100,000 dollars each?
wtf?
Were these guys innocent and the US gave them the 100,000 as a kind of reparation for illegally imprisoning them?
I can't seem to find the info.
 

ProfJohn

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I am not sure they were 'innocent' but we had long ago determined that they were not a threat to us and were there learning how to fight against the Chinese.

We kept them for so long because we didn't know what to do with them.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not sure they were 'innocent' but we had long ago determined that they were not a threat to us and were there learning how to fight against the Chinese.

We kept them for so long because we didn't know what to do with them.

So if you think they are only quotation mark "innocent", what crimes do you believe they committed?
 

ProfJohn

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I believe we found them in a terrorist training camp... I suppose they were only there because they wanted to set up a Uighur restaurant.
 

ManSnake

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What's so innocent about them? They were caught at the Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. They may not have planned to kill Americans, but no one goes to the camp to learn about world peace!
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

I believe we found them in a terrorist training camp... I suppose they were only there because they wanted to set up a Uighur restaurant.

You have a way of "believing" all kinds of bullshit you can't back up, even when our own military has no evidence to support any charges against them.

The detainees were captured in Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2001, but the Pentagon determined last year that they were not "enemy combatants."
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China still insists the Uighurs are terrorism suspects who should be repatriated.

But it's good to know you side with the Chinese government. :shocked:
 

ProfJohn

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Harvey I am NOT on the side of the Chinese.

We did not hand them over to the Chinese because they would have most likely been killed. And no other country would take them which is why they sat in Gitmo for so long.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: techs
These Uighur(sp?) guys who were just sent to Bermuda. The news says they received 100,000 dollars each?
wtf?
Were these guys innocent and the US gave them the 100,000 as a kind of reparation for illegally imprisoning them?
I can't seem to find the info.

The previous administration deemed them not a threat. There was no place to send them. If they went back to China... gitmo would have looked like a summer spa retreat compared to the treatment they would have received in China.


 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: techs
These Uighur(sp?) guys who were just sent to Bermuda. The news says they received 100,000 dollars each?
wtf?
Were these guys innocent and the US gave them the 100,000 as a kind of reparation for illegally imprisoning them?
I can't seem to find the info.

The previous administration deemed them not a threat. There was no place to send them. If they went back to China... gitmo would have looked like a summer spa retreat compared to the treatment they would have received in China.



Most of those in Gitmo could be released if they had a country that would take them back. There home countries do not want them, and no one else does either, except these various island nations/states. After of course the US buys them off.
 

yllus

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I'm an ardent fan of closing the camp at G-Bay, but about these fellows...

Read the Gitmo Files

On Sunday night, CNN ran part of an interview with a Uighur named Khalil Abdul Nasser. Until just a few days ago, Nasser was detained at Guantanamo. Nasser's transfer to Bermuda, along with three of his fellow Uighurs, has caused a storm of controversy on the tiny resort island. So, Nasser wanted to quell any doubts about his innocence.

Regarding allegations that he attended a terrorist training camp, Nasser (speaking through a translator) said: "This is not true, because I have never been in any kind of training camp."

Nasser added, "The U.S. courts confirmed this that I have never been a terrorist or trained for a terrorist, so this is just [an] accusation against me."

Neither Nasser's denials, nor Willett's statement, are true. And while it is easy to demonstrate that their words are false, requiring only a few minutes of research to do so, CNN did not provide any alternative view.

Take Nasser's denial of the allegation that he received training at a terrorist camp. He did not always dispute this. During his combatant status review tribunal (CSRT) at Gitmo, Nasser freely admitted that he once trained at the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement's (ETIM's) Tora Bora training camp:

"Correct. I was there. I don't know if it was the AK-47. It was an old rifle, and I trained for a couple of days. I went to the camp to train because the Chinese government was torturing my country, my people, and they could not do anything. I was trying to protect my country, my country's independence and my freedom. From international law, training is not illegal in order to protect your freedom and independence. I did it for my country."

Nasser was likely trained at the ETIM camp for more than a "couple of days." He conceded that he arrived at the camp during the first couple of weeks in June 2001. Nasser was there when the American-led bombing of Tora Bora began months later, after the September 11 attacks. So, he was there for a matter of months.

The tribunal claimed: "The Detainee was at the Uighur Tora Bora training camp when it was bombed by US/Coalition forces in October."

Nasser replied:

"Correct. I went there before the things happened in the U.S. One night while we were sleeping, bombing started. There was fire everywhere. We started to escape. Should we have stayed and been killed by the bombs? We stayed there since before 9/11, and then they came and bombed us. We did not have any problems with the U.S. Economically, socially, culturally, they are not [our] enemy. We have nothing against the U.S."

Statements such as this one have been used by the Uighur detainees' proponents to suggest that they never posed a threat to America, or the West, because they are only interested in attacking the Chinese government. But this is false, despite the claims of ETIM trainees such as Nasser.

The ETIM (otherwise known as the Turkistan Islamic Party, "TIP"), is a known jihadist organization dedicated to building a radical Islamist state in Central and South Asia.

The organization openly proclaims its allegiance to al Qaeda in its propaganda videos, which can be found on YouTube.

At least eight of the seventeen Uighurs who were detained at Gitmo at the start of the Obama administration have admitted that the Tora Bora camp was run by a terrorist named Abdul Haq. The Obama administration's Treasury Department has designated Haq an al Qaeda terrorist, citing his role in al Qaeda's Shura (consultation) council since 2005.

Nasser did not say who ran the Tora Bora training camp during his CSRT session. But it is clear, based on the testimony of at least eight other Uighurs, including Hozaifa Parhat, that Abdul Haq ran the camp.

There is no real material dispute, then, that the camp was run by an al Qaeda terrorist. And Nasser lived and was trained at this camp.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not sure they were 'innocent' but we had long ago determined that they were not a threat to us and were there learning how to fight against the Chinese.

We kept them for so long because we didn't know what to do with them.

The Afgahn's turned them into the US custody for the reward money that we advertised.
They brought them to us and called them 'Al Queda'.

As we learned more we found we had been taken, and we couldn't release them to their home country, as they would be prosecuted.

So we kinda-sorta had to eat them. Think of it as a little like crow.

$100K is a bargain after what was perpetuated.

 

Skitzer

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not sure they were 'innocent' but we had long ago determined that they were not a threat to us and were there learning how to fight against the Chinese.

We kept them for so long because we didn't know what to do with them.

The Afgahn's turned them into the US custody for the reward money that we advertised.
They brought them to us and called them 'Al Queda'.

As we learned more we found we had been taken, and we couldn't release them to their home country, as they would be prosecuted.

So we kinda-sorta had to eat them. Think of it as a little like crow.

$100K is a bargain after what was perpetuated.

Link? First time I have heard this story.
 
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