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[Keysplayr]

Xbit Article

 

[dug777]

The comments quoted aren't new by any means, i've seen them quoted before...

I also think the guy doesn't know jack about the discrete graphics market, and the relatively tiny role multi-gpu plays in it (EDIT: and let's be honest, that's not about to change any time soon )

Add to that the fact that the latest incarnation of crossfire lays to rest any of the real issues anyone has ever had about it, and yeah, he's full of sh1t

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

 

[Creig]

I believe this article was already discussed in this thread.

 

[Centurin]

Indeed it was.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

I thought it was confirmed by AMD themselves that ATI and their brandnames (ie. Radeon, Crossfire) aren't going anyware.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

indeed

his analysis is based on 2 faulty premises:

1) that AMD will be the only platform using ATi GPUs

2) that Crossfire will fail

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

indeed

his analysis is based on 2 faulty premises:

1) that AMD will be the only platform using ATi GPUs

2) that Crossfire will fail

:laughing; That's dumb! It's bad business to limit your consumers like that. And about Crossfire failing... I think that both SLI and Crossfire may be done away with someday (not soon, but maybe someday) I mean, it didn't last too long when 3dfx did it, why would it last longer if Nvidia/ATi did it?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

indeed

his analysis is based on 2 faulty premises:

1) that AMD will be the only platform using ATi GPUs

2) that Crossfire will fail

:laughing; That's dumb! It's bad business to limit your consumers like that. And about Crossfire failing... I think that both SLI and Crossfire may be done away with someday (not soon, but maybe someday) I mean, it didn't last too long when 3dfx did it, why would it last longer if Nvidia/ATi did it?

Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

indeed

his analysis is based on 2 faulty premises:

1) that AMD will be the only platform using ATi GPUs

2) that Crossfire will fail

:laughing; That's dumb! It's bad business to limit your consumers like that. And about Crossfire failing... I think that both SLI and Crossfire may be done away with someday (not soon, but maybe someday) I mean, it didn't last too long when 3dfx did it, why would it last longer if Nvidia/ATi did it?

Because we have the PCI-E interface now. The reason you could not SLI was due to the AGP interface specification. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

at least in the short-term ... 5 years or so

who can see the future clearly?

i imagine the new AMD platform may change things

ideally there would be ONE card doing the work of two ... sli/xfire generates more heat, noise than a single card .... perhaps the GX2 is the wave of the future . . . multi cores instead of multi cards

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
...unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

Oh do tell me, Mr. ArchAngel777, how was the move from PCI to AGP stupid?

Gah, yes... increased bandwidth... stupid! Gah, ability to write to system memory... stupid! Gah, escaping a bustling bus for a completely isolated bus... stupid!

Actually, those are all advantages .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
...unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

Oh do tell me, Mr. ArchAngel777, how was the move from PCI to AGP stupid?

Gah, yes... increased bandwidth... stupid! Gah, ability to write to system memory... stupid! Gah, escaping a bustling bus for a completely isolated bus... stupid!

Actually, those are all advantages .

i don't think that's what he meant

anyway .. . look out for PCIe2 ... coming to highend rigs ... soon

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
...unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

Oh do tell me, Mr. ArchAngel777, how was the move from PCI to AGP stupid?

Gah, yes... increased bandwidth... stupid! Gah, ability to write to system memory... stupid! Gah, escaping a bustling bus for a completely isolated bus... stupid!

Actually, those are all advantages .

Context, context, context... What was the topic I was referring too? SLI/Crossfire. Why was AGP stupid in relation to SLI? The answer is obvious... Troll elsewhere.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
You should really change the title of this thread.. Soon its gonna be invaded by wreckage + gstanfor VS apoppin, etc, all because some dude who calls himself an analyst said so

indeed

his analysis is based on 2 faulty premises:

1) that AMD will be the only platform using ATi GPUs

2) that Crossfire will fail

:laughing; That's dumb! It's bad business to limit your consumers like that. And about Crossfire failing... I think that both SLI and Crossfire may be done away with someday (not soon, but maybe someday) I mean, it didn't last too long when 3dfx did it, why would it last longer if Nvidia/ATi did it?

Because we have the PCI-E interface now. The reason you could not SLI was due to the AGP interface specification. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

at least in the short-term ... 5 years or so

who can see the future clearly?

i imagine the new AMD platform may change things

ideally there would be ONE card doing the work of two ... sli/xfire generates more heat, noise than a single card .... perhaps the GX2 is the wave of the future . . . multi cores instead of multi cards

True.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

actually, there is no reason 2 full AGP ports couldn't have been put on a board. other than marketing reasons, i mean.




anyway, i'm going to call myself an analyst and say that DAMiT could continue on in the discrete graphics business indefinitely.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

actually, there is no reason 2 full AGP ports couldn't have been put on a board. other than marketing reasons, i mean.




anyway, i'm going to call myself an analyst and say that DAMiT could continue on in the discrete graphics business indefinitely.

If that being the case, then, IRRC, then communication between the two was not possible. I remember very long discussions on the topic with the consensus saying that it was theoretically possible, but realisticly it wasn't. I am not a hardware engineer so I cannot give the specifics, but I can read history. nVidia or ATI would have been on it if it were realisticly possible, but we show nothing was done. Once PCI-E came out, nVidia pursued it almost immediately.

 

[zephyrprime]

Yeah, AMD is really going to get rid of the business line that makes 80% of the profits for ATI. That really makes sense.

I read the article and here is what I think:

The analyst says that crossfire is in trouble because it is unlikely that intel will build crossfire support into their chipset. This is a real concern in my opinion. However, I don't think this will be a problem eventually because I think the PCIE standard itself will be changed to support a standardized successor to xfire/sli in instead of relying on the proprietary solutions we currently have. This will take a while to happen though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

actually, there is no reason 2 full AGP ports couldn't have been put on a board. other than marketing reasons, i mean.

AGP accesses the memory directly and the protocol only has support for one AGP device per memory controller, afaik

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
...unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

Oh do tell me, Mr. ArchAngel777, how was the move from PCI to AGP stupid?

Gah, yes... increased bandwidth... stupid! Gah, ability to write to system memory... stupid! Gah, escaping a bustling bus for a completely isolated bus... stupid!

Actually, those are all advantages .

Read up on computer history. The industry didn't move from PCI to AGP. It moved from VESA local bus to AGP.

 

[Slammy1]

Here's an interesting thought. I've always felt NVidia was best served with AMD chipsets (NForce), so if they were to limit their development to AMD platforms wouldn't that make Intel chipsets less appealing to gamers thereby promoting AMD sales? How many hardcore gamers don't have NVidia or ATI GPUs?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

actually, there is no reason 2 full AGP ports couldn't have been put on a board. other than marketing reasons, i mean.

AGP accesses the memory directly and the protocol only has support for one AGP device per memory controller, afaik

on page 113 of the agp 3.0 spec there is a diagram that appears to have 4 AGP devices on one motherboard .

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: apoppin
...perhaps the GX2 is the wave of the future . . . multi cores instead of multi cards

omg I actually agree with you on this one.. GPUs will be progressing the same road as the CPU .. toward less power hungry, lower clock, multiple core, etc..

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Actually, those are all advantages .

Read up on computer history. The industry didn't move from PCI to AGP. It moved from VESA local bus to AGP.

[/quote]

its ISA -> EISA-> VLB -> PCI->AGP-> PCI-e

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Context, context, context... What was the topic I was referring too? SLI/Crossfire. Why was AGP stupid in relation to SLI? The answer is obvious... Troll elsewhere.

The topic you were referring to was the state of video cards in the old PCI market and how we had SLi. Then you went on to talk about PCI-E and said that it'll be fine as long as they don't do anything stupid again. Then you so sneakly put "AGP" in parenthesis, which meant the prior statement referred to AGP as being one of the originating stupid actions. Then, my statement went on to remark about how even though we "lost" SLi capabilities with the switch to AGP, there were plenty of benefits.

Although I don't see how you can get off calling me a troll when you're not even on topic ^_^. In fact, your "troll" defense is just something you're using to try to make your lackluster statement not demean you in any manner. Ranks up there with the Chewbacca defense .

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Read up on computer history. The industry didn't move from PCI to AGP. It moved from VESA local bus to AGP.

Sigh, why do you people do this to yourself? Make audacious claims like you're some sort of sage when I can easily go to Wikipedia and prove you wrong?

I'll just grab a quote or two from the VESA Bus page or the PCI page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect
The PCI bus is common in modern PCs, where it has displaced ISA and VESA Local Bus as the standard expansion bus, but it also appears in many other computer types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Local_Bus
By 1996, the Pentium (driven by Intel's Triton chipset and PCI architecture) had eliminated the 80486 market, and the VESA Local Bus with it. Many of the last 80486 motherboards made have PCI slots in addition to (or completely replacing) the VLB slots.

Now, the only way you can say that I'm wrong, is if you get all haughty and say, "Well, I meant busses designed specifically for graphic use!" Which first of all, that was not even what I said originally. Second of all, the VESA bus was an extension of the ISA bus and they both had to work together. ISA handled more than just graphics in this case.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Because we have the PCI-E interface now. When 3dfx did it, the AGP interface came out shortly after that did and does not allow for double slots. Though there was some talk about it being possible to do PCI + AGP, that isn't reality, because didn't see it, did we? SLI/X-fire is here to stay unless they do something stupid again (AGP).

actually, there is no reason 2 full AGP ports couldn't have been put on a board. other than marketing reasons, i mean.




anyway, i'm going to call myself an analyst and say that DAMiT could continue on in the discrete graphics business indefinitely.

I am pretty sure that it wasn't until AGP 3.0 came out that it was possible to have multiple AGP slots on a system. AGP sucked because it's main advantage was direct access to system memory and the industry instead moved to using larger faster caches on the graphics card itself.