ugh... top Michigan gubernatorial is a Canadien born UC Berkeley graduate who supports reparations to African Americans.

[iamwiz82]

cry for us Michiganders.



Sorry, i couldnt fit candidate up there

 

[flavio]

It's spelled Berkeley.

 

[iamme]

Great, now we get the mudslinging political ads on TV very ten minutes :|

"So and so, is a hippy, potsmoking abortion lover, so vote for me!"
"Well, so and so, hates senior citizens, so vote for me!"

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: flavio
It's spelled Berkeley.

i'm sure that affects the article.

 

[Kung Lau]

Well, not that I care either way, but just to make you feel better, at least she will never be president

 

[iamme]

In four years as attorney general, Granholm made a name for herself by going after Internet crooks and pornographers, sweepstakes swindlers and price-gouging gas stations.

Well, she's done a great job with that internet pronography thing....got that down to a minimum

 

[iamme]

"God is on Jennifer Granholm's side," McNamara [Wayne County Executive] said.

Yikes, so what happens if she loses? Does that mean God lost? What a stupid statement.....

 

[Karsten]

You know... I already feel sorry for you guys up there!

 

[Fulcrum]

I've dealt with her personally a few times. I am not in a position to comment publicly about my impressions of her (the company I work for would get very upset). But in spite of that I will say that I have nothing nice at all to say about her! What a ... Er, I mean, no comment!

 

[EvilYoda]

hehe, at times like this, I'm glad I don't care about politics........I've seen the ads tho, it's pretty pathetic.

 

[Linflas]

"The Republicans have this Horatio Alger view, that people ought to pull themselves up by their boot straps. Well, some people were not issued boots," Granholm said to applause.

Good grief. :disgust:

 

[RudeBoie]

She doesn't seem that bad to me.

Are you against reparations?
I'm not into them per say, but America (aka WHITE america) owes Blacks and Indians a lot. (I won't get into this too much)

Is it becaue she's from Berkeley and Canadian? Cause that seems silly too.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: RudeBoie
She doesn't seem that bad to me.

Are you against reparations?
I'm not into them per say, but America (aka WHITE america) owes Blacks and Indians a lot. (I won't get into this too much)

Is it becaue she's from Berkeley and Canadian? Cause that seems silly too.

no, i dont believe in reparations, because then you could open a whole new door of not just race, but country. I'm of polish decent, so i deserve money for all the WW2, or i'm european decent, so i deserve money for the kidnapping of children by africans during the children's crusade. These things happened in the past.

 

[Shantanu]

I think Engler will win the election comfortably. Michigan has an excellent, conservative GOP, and they've done very well for the state.

It's still a three way split between three Democrats in MI. Detroit's mayor did not have the balls to endorse a candidate. This is not a good sign at this point in the race

I have to say Michigan's roads do suck, though. I think a pinko commie up there could carry the state by promising to fix the roads

Seriously though, I wish Ohio's GOP was more like Michigan's GOP. Here they're all a bunch of anti-business, pro-public spending moderates.

 

[FlashG]

I'm so glad I left Michigan 20 years ago. For the most part the people are great but they raped and pillaged the economy for so long that the infrastructure will be FUBRed forever.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: RudeBoie
She doesn't seem that bad to me.

Are you against reparations?
I'm not into them per say, but America (aka WHITE america) owes Blacks and Indians a lot. (I won't get into this too much)

Is it becaue she's from Berkeley and Canadian? Cause that seems silly too.

Find me a living former slave and then we can talk about reparations to right wrongs done to him or her.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: FlashG
I'm so glad I left Michigan 20 years ago. For the most part the people are great but they raped and pillaged the economy for so long that the infrastructure will be FUBRed forever.

Engler is a complete ass. I dispise Detroit for voting him in

 

[LH]

Guess we need to pay the Irish and Asians too, they were used as slave labor to build the railroads...

 

[tcsenter]

I'm not into them per say, but America (aka WHITE america) owes Blacks and Indians a lot. (I won't get into this too much)

It's rather funny, Indians from various tribes would meet the Louis and Clark expedition begging for material things, some tribes were in direct competition with each other, claiming to be the poorest and most deserving of guns, knives, clothing, etc. Some Indian Chiefs would show up at their camps completely nude, not wearing a stitch of clothing, to exaggerate their poverty.

The liberal revisionist history romanticizing the nobility of Indians as unphased by materialist greed and living in communal arrangements of perfect harmony with each other and the environment have been proven a sham over and over. Indians would herd buffalo by the dozen over cliffs as a hunting method, how much of that meat do you think they made use of? Most would rot and go to waste.

When Indians were given rifles, they hunted game for sport, competition, and for commercial value just as the settlers did. Indians didn't kill game for mass commercial profit because they couldn't, they were too backwards to figure out a way to. When they were given a means to - rifles - they did. The Indians lost a clash of civilizations, that doesn't make them the 'victim', it makes them the 'loser' of a conflict.

Blacks gave-up any credible claim to reparations when they demanded and received unconditional welfare for decades and, later, affirmative action, etc. That's how they are getting reparations.

You have to chuckle at the ever-shifting argument of the black community. First, "all they wanted" was their freedom, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was protection of their civil rights and the right to vote, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was a 'helping hand' for those who were irreparably harmed by racism, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was equal opportunity, they got it.

It has to end somewhere, before blacks claim that the only fair thing to do is for whites to become their slaves for 400 years, but you and I both know that after 400 years, they'll say "but it was different when we were slaves" and so they'll just want something else.

Only 20% of whites at the HEIGHT of the Southern Planation era owned slaves and even then that number is only applicable to the south. It was a luxury afforded only by privileged whites, which the vast majority were not. Most whites carved out some feeble existance for themselves, off the backs of nobody but their own.

I have yet to hear a rational explanation why 100% of whites today, none of whom have ever owned slaves, "owe" blacks reparations for slavery, none of whom have never been slaves.

But on to the Mousey Jennifer Granholm...

It's interesting that Granholm woud take issue with the Republican philosophy on poverty, since Engler's welfare reform has been celebrated by both Democrats and Republicans and has served as a model for reform efforts in many other states.

Today in Michigan, a qualifying welfare recipient receives more meaningful assistance than ever before, not just the 'basic subsistence' they received when our legislative and executive branch were controlled by Democrats. A welfare recipient can go back to school at the expense of the People of Michigan, The People of Michigan will even buy a welfare recipient a car if needed so they can enter the work force.

The only thing Engler eliminated was 'unconditional' welfare where there was virtually no means test to qualify for welfare and no condition at all upon the recipient to show any intent or desire to cut their dependence upon the state: just collecting a check year after year after year, no questions asked.

Today, a welfare recipient can only collect a check for so long before they have to demonstrate some desire and intent to enter the work force and cut their dependence upon the state, by making use of available job training, completing or furthering their education, among other options. What the hell is wrong with that? It's a Republican plan, of course, and even worse, a successful one.

As Attorney General, Granholm has never missed a photo opportunity to cast herself as a 'public advocate' and the media has never missed an opportunity to subsidize Granholm's political campaign at no charge to her. She has appeared numerous times on NBC's Dateline in 'defending consumers from unscrupulous retailers' and making an example out of them, even if some of these retailers were only guilty of making an honest pricing error.

Granholm misused her position as Attorney General, whose duty is to enforce the laws, not to influence the legislative process, when she spear-headed an effort to derail a popular concealed weapons bill that would allow law abiding Michiganders to carry a firearm for personal protection, in accordance with the 'keep and bear arms' provision of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 which, unlike the federal constitution, is not ambiguous whatsoever. The bill overwhelmingly passed both the Michigan House and Senate. Far from resembling a 'citizen group', "People Who Cared About Kids" was a veritable Who's Who of wealthy celebrities, antigun city mayors, county executives, prosecutors, and other antigun politicians.

BTW, Granholm not only graduated from Berkeley, she's a HAHVAD grad, too. Yes, cry for Michigan if Granholm's political strategy of promising a lot of money to a certain Detroit constituency that she wins the gubernatorial election.

 

[tcsenter]

I think Engler will win the election comfortably. Michigan has an excellent, conservative GOP, and they've done very well for the state.

Engler cannot run again because he is term-limited. Dick Posthumus, the Lt. Governor under Engler, will be running in the Republican slot.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I'm not into them per say, but America (aka WHITE america) owes Blacks and Indians a lot. (I won't get into this too much)

It's rather funny, Indians from various tribes would meet the Louis and Clark expedition begging for material things, some tribes were in direct competition with each other, claiming to be the poorest and most deserving of guns, knives, clothing, etc. Some Indian Chiefs would show up at their camps completely nude, not wearing a stitch of clothing, to exaggerate their poverty.

The liberal revisionist history romanticizing the nobility of Indians as unphased by materialist greed and living in communal arrangements of perfect harmony with each other and the environment have been proven a sham over and over. Indians would herd buffalo by the dozen over cliffs as a hunting method, how much of that meat do you think they made use of? Most would rot and go to waste.

When Indians were given rifles, they hunted game for sport, competition, and for commercial value just as the settlers did. Indians didn't kill game for mass commercial profit because they couldn't, they were too backwards to figure out a way to. When they were given a means to - rifles - they did. The Indians lost a clash of civilizations, that doesn't make them the 'victim', it makes them the 'loser' of a conflict.

Blacks gave-up any credible claim to reparations when they demanded and received unconditional welfare for decades and, later, affirmative action, etc. That's how they are getting reparations.

You have to chuckle at the ever-shifting argument of the black community. First, "all they wanted" was their freedom, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was protection of their civil rights and the right to vote, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was a 'helping hand' for those who were irreparably harmed by racism, they got it. Then, "all they wanted" was equal opportunity, they got it.

It has to end somewhere, before blacks claim that the only fair thing to do is for whites to become their slaves for 400 years, but you and I both know that after 400 years, they'll say "but it was different when we were slaves" and so they'll just want something else.

Only 20% of whites at the HEIGHT of the Southern Planation era owned slaves and even then that number is only applicable to the south. It was a luxury afforded only by privileged whites, which the vast majority were not. Most whites carved out some feeble existance for themselves, off the backs of nobody but their own.

I have yet to hear a rational explanation why 100% of whites today, none of whom have ever owned slaves, "owe" blacks reparations for slavery, none of whom have never been slaves.

But on to the Mousey Jennifer Granholm...

It's interesting that Granholm woud take issue with the Republican philosophy on poverty, since Engler's welfare reform has been celebrated by both Democrats and Republicans and has served as a model for reform efforts in many other states.

Today in Michigan, a qualifying welfare recipient receives more meaningful assistance than ever before, not just the 'basic subsistence' they received when our legislative and executive branch were controlled by Democrats. A welfare recipient can go back to school at the expense of the People of Michigan, The People of Michigan will even buy a welfare recipient a car if needed so they can enter the work force.

The only thing Engler eliminated was 'unconditional' welfare where there was virtually no means test to qualify for welfare and no condition at all upon the recipient to show any intent or desire to cut their dependence upon the state: just collecting a check year after year after year, no questions asked.

Today, a welfare recipient can only collect a check for so long before they have to demonstrate some desire and intent to enter the work force and cut their dependence upon the state, by making use of available job training, completing or furthering their education, among other options. What the hell is wrong with that? It's a Republican plan, of course, and even worse, a successful one.

As Attorney General, Granholm has never missed a photo opportunity to cast herself as a 'public advocate' and the media has never missed an opportunity to subsidize Granholm's political campaign at no charge to her. She has appeared numerous times on NBC's Dateline in 'defending consumers from unscrupulous retailers' and making an example out of them, even if some of these retailers were only guilty of making an honest pricing error.

Granholm misused her position as Attorney General, whose duty is to enforce the laws, not to influence the legislative process, when she spear-headed an effort to derail a popular concealed weapons bill that would allow law abiding Michiganders to carry a firearm for personal protection, in accordance with the 'keep and bear arms' provision of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 which, unlike the federal constitution, is not ambiguous whatsoever. The bill overwhelmingly passed both the Michigan House and Senate. Far from resembling a 'citizen group', "People Who Cared About Kids" was a veritable Who's Who of wealthy celebrities, antigun city mayors, county executives, prosecutors, and other antigun politicians.

BTW, Granholm not only graduated from Berkeley, she's a HAHVAD grad, too. Yes, cry for Michigan if Granholm's political strategy of promising a lot of money to a certain Detroit constituency that she wins the gubernatorial election.

Uhm, did you do a report for this in class or something?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: LH
Guess we need to pay the Irish and Asians too, they were used as slave labor to build the railroads...

Not well treated or well paid yes, slave labor no. Slavery means you are property to be bought and sold neither of which applies to the building of the transcontinental railroad.

 

[JellyBaby]

Since tcsenter utterly destroyed the slave reparations nonsense in a single, brillant post there is nothing left to say execpt, "NEXT ISSUE!".

 

[WhiteKnight]

Originally posted by: LH
Guess we need to pay the Irish and Asians too, they were used as slave labor to build the railroads...

Hey, sounds good to me, I'm half Irish and half Chinese.

 

[NesuD]

As i understand it not only Granholm but Bonior and Blanchard claimed to be in support of reparations. I found that to very disturbing as well as disappointing.