ugh my girlfriend ran her microwave without a load! EDIT: STILL WORKS FINE

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
11,169
1
0
Ugh.

So I'm sitting here workin on a lab, and I hear her running the microwave. Since she is making split pea soup I don't think anything of it. I go out there a few minutes later and ask her what she is microwaving:

"Oh, nothing, I just needed a timer for two minutes."

I give her a nice, blank stare.

What are the odds the microwave will ever work again? I know that running it without a load is akin to running a short -circuit. Will her microwave still work or is it effectively toasted? The microwave is late 80s, early 90s, judging from the design - it came embedded into her stovetop on the kitchen.

UPDATE:

From: http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/HTW//microwave_ovens.html

This goes to show that the general consensus is not always the right one.

"Why are you required to have an item in the microwave oven while it is operating?

When a microwave oven is cooking food, electrons move rhythmically back and forth inside the magnetron tube and create the microwaves. These microwaves flow through a metal pipe and into the cooking chamber, where they are absorbed by the water in the food and thus heat the food (the twisting back and forth of the water molecules, described elsewhere on this page, not only heats the food--it also absorbs the microwaves). If there is no food in the cooking chamber, the microwaves build up in the cooking chamber until they are so intense that large numbers of them flow backward through the pipe to the magnetron. These microwaves reenter the magnetron and disrupt the motion of electrons inside it. The magnetron begins to misbehave and can be damaged as a result. To avoid such damage, you want to be sure that there is something in the cooking chamber to absorb the microwaves before they return to the magnetron and cause trouble. In short, don't run the microwave empty for any long periods of time."

And I specifically KNEW this was a bad thing because at the end of the 80s, when I was like 3, I broke a microwave oven by doing this for five minutes. I was four years old and still remember how mad my parents were, because they weren't $60 pieces of equipment you could find at Best Buy at the time.

EDIT2 : Why do I call it a load?

We've discussed this problem in my second circuits class. A microwave oven is a linear circuit and can be modeled, somewhat simplistically, as a thevenin equivalent circuit which consists of a voltage source, and a resistor in series.

you can simplistically model a microwave oven by this. Any food you put into it can be modeled as a resistive load. If you run it without nothing in it, it is like creating a short between the terminals of the thevenin equivalent circuit.

Hence the name load.
 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
21,938
5
0
LOL that's pretty funny of her to use it as a timer.

But i never heard of running them without a load can damage them.
 

Kenny

Platinum Member
Oct 12, 2002
2,567
0
76
WTF? I don't think that did any damage to the microwave, but I would suggest finding a fix for your girlfriend.
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
50,419
8
81
Uh...... :p

I'll eat my hat if the microwave doesen't work anymore.

I don't think it kills them.
 

radioouman

Diamond Member
Nov 4, 2002
8,632
0
0
I've always heard that running them with nothing inside was REALLY bad for them. Of course that was for a microwave from the late 80s...
 

Konigin

Platinum Member
Jan 21, 2003
2,358
0
0
It doesn't have a timer? Well, it probably should work, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

Cyberian

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2000
9,999
1
0
What are the odds the microwave will ever work again? I know that running it without a load is akin to running a short -circuit. Will her microwave still work or is it effectively toasted?

Huh??!!
 

element

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,635
0
0
bah, you want some fun bet her 5 bucks she can't defeat the safety switch that turns the microwave off when you open the door. Luckily for her she won't be smart enough to be able to do it. So see ignorance has its rewards. Now don't you wish you was that ignant?
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
50,419
8
81
Originally posted by: piku
Who calls what they put into a microwave a load?

Bwhahahahaha..

Well.. I knew what he meant, but.. that is funnay. ;)
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
81
I think only the original microwave's suffered problems with running empty.

 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
21,204
66
91
I've been checking sites online and all say to never operate one empty, but none so far say why.

Don't operate an empty oven if the introduction manual
warns against this. In some ovens the magnetron tube can
be damaged by unabsorbed energy.
 

Crappopotamus

Golden Member
Oct 1, 2002
1,920
0
0
lol 'load'. loads are for laundry man.

i dont think there would be any problem... microwaves just send out... well microwaves. if theres nothing there, then nothing gets nuked!
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
11,169
1
0
Why do I call it a load?

We've discussed this problem in my second circuits class. A microwave oven is a linear circuit and can be modeled, somewhat simplistically, as a thevenin equivalent circuit which consists of a voltage source, and a resistor in series.

you can simplistically model a microwave oven by this. Any food you put into it can be modeled as a resistive load. If you run it without nothing in it, it is like creating a short between the terminals of the thevenin equivalent circuit.

Hence the name load.
 

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
13,968
2
0
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Why do I call it a load?

We've discussed this problem in my second circuits class. A microwave oven is a linear circuit and can be modeled, somewhat simplistically, as a thevenin equivalent circuit which consists of a voltage source, and a resistor in series.

you can simplistically model a microwave oven by this. Any food you put into it can be modeled as a resistive load. If you run it without nothing in it, it is like creating a short between the terminals of the thevenin equivalent circuit.

Hence the name load.

Yes, and your girlfriend was a ditz for not knowing this?
rolleye.gif


 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
11,169
1
0
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Why do I call it a load?

We've discussed this problem in my second circuits class. A microwave oven is a linear circuit and can be modeled, somewhat simplistically, as a thevenin equivalent circuit which consists of a voltage source, and a resistor in series.

you can simplistically model a microwave oven by this. Any food you put into it can be modeled as a resistive load. If you run it without nothing in it, it is like creating a short between the terminals of the thevenin equivalent circuit.

Hence the name load.

Yes, and your girlfriend was a ditz for not knowing this?
rolleye.gif

Even without the technical explanation it should have been obvious that energy is floating around (hence the HEATING) and without anything, it has to go somewhere.

Namely, back into the microwave-generating components.