UGA might be going to the big dance after all

[Nitemare]

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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

 

[MemnochtheDevil]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Problem is they had 2 starters in that fake class the assistant coach taught. If those guys are declared ineligable after an investigation, all the games they played in will be forfeited. And all tourney revenues will have to be refunded.

Most of the players are innocent but the few guilty ones and the crooked coaches ruined it for all.

 

[FuzzyBee]

I don't think it'll happen - missing the SEC tourney is going to hurt. Besides, the NCAA can deny invites to ranked schools that are missing key players. Two starters, I think, could qualify for that.

Maybe an NIT bid is in the works for 'em.

hmmm...that articles says:

The NIT, which also selects its field Sunday night, has confirmed that it cannot invite Fresno State, Georgia or Michigan since each school is ineligible for the postseason -- NCAA included.

but an article in this morning's AJC says:

An NIT appearance might go a way toward changing people's perceptions. And would the NIT be interested in Georgia? Why, yes.

"I'd like to see it happen," said Jack Powers, the tournament's executive director. Then: "I would look into it." And then: "I'm not going to rule it out."

Several caveats would apply. Georgia would have to announce it will accept no NCAA bid but would look favorably on an NIT invitation. The NIT is restricted by a rule that dates to Marquette's miffed pullout from the 1970 NCAA tournament. (Angered that his team was sent to the Midwest Regional instead of the Mideast, Al McGuire went to New York instead and won the NIT.) "If you're invited to the NCAA [today], you cannot turn it down and play in the NIT," Powers said.

But what if a school made it clear it wouldn't go to the NCAA under any circumstances and therefore received no NCAA bid? Said Powers: "Then it's a different situation."

I wonder which is right? I guess it depends on when the NCAA makes a ruling - I doubt they'll rule before Sunday.

 

[MemnochtheDevil]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee
I don't think it'll happen - missing the SEC tourney is going to hurt. Besides, the NCAA can deny invites to ranked schools that are missing key players. Two starters, I think, could qualify for that.

Maybe an NIT bid is in the works for 'em.

I doubt the NIT will want them. All this is a long shot for a team who's own university leadership wants to voluntarily not play in any post-season events this year. Trying to angle for lower penalties from the NCAA. Plus more misconduct may come out in the next couple weeks....

 

[royaldank]

Their hearing on the matter is Monday. Brackets come out on Sunday. Absolutely no way in hell that the NCAA brackets will change after they are announced. Sorry Georgia...most everyone that has followed basketball the last 10-15 years knows that Harrick is scum. He broke rules in UCLA, Rhode Island, and now at Georgia. The man shouldn't be allowed to coach again. He's bad news. Georgia was stupid to hire him in the first place. Only thing worse now would be to hire Bob Huggins to replace him.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: royaldank
Only thing worse now would be to hire Bob Huggins to replace him.

...or Tarkanian.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Using that logic, Alabama should not be banned from any post-season play for football because the head coach at the time of violations is no longer with the team and neither are any of the players involved.

Same with Michigan basketball.

 

[MemnochtheDevil]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Using that logic, Alabama should not be banned from any post-season play for football because the head coach at the time of violations is no longer with the team and neither are any of the players involved.

Same with Michigan basketball.

What needs to be done is to have some of the penalties for the coaches misdeeds follow him to his next job. So if I violate several rules at Georgia then take a job at Nebraska when the investigation starts, I get reduced recuiting abilities/visits, lose a couple scholarships, etc... This would make schools look a lot more seriously into coaches past deeds. It would also get rid of the coaches ability to dodge all punishment by quiting, leaving the school holding the bag.

In this case, I agree that UGA got what they deserved for hiring Harrick. He's done all this before and everyone knew it.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: MemnochtheDevil
What needs to be done is to have some of the penalties for the coaches misdeeds follow him to his next job. So if I violate several rules at Georgia then take a job at Nebraska when the investigation starts, I get reduced recuiting abilities/visits, lose a couple scholarships, etc... This would make schools look a lot more seriously into coaches past deeds. It would also get rid of the coaches ability to dodge all punishment by quiting, leaving the school holding the bag.

In this case, I agree that UGA got what they deserved for hiring Harrick. He's done all this before and everyone knew it.

I agree with that. Coaches who break rules need to be banned for a determined amount of time from coaching at the Division 1A level and/or fined monetarily. They too often get off free like Neuhisel.

I'd also like to see the NCAA conduct its hearings more like an actual court proceeding instead of a kangaroo court where witnesses can not be cross-examined and evidence can not be challenged. It is pretty bad when individual states have to pass legislation requiring the NCAA to conduct it's investigations in a way that they should already be doing.

 

[LakAttack]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: MemnochtheDevil
What needs to be done is to have some of the penalties for the coaches misdeeds follow him to his next job. So if I violate several rules at Georgia then take a job at Nebraska when the investigation starts, I get reduced recuiting abilities/visits, lose a couple scholarships, etc... This would make schools look a lot more seriously into coaches past deeds. It would also get rid of the coaches ability to dodge all punishment by quiting, leaving the school holding the bag.

In this case, I agree that UGA got what they deserved for hiring Harrick. He's done all this before and everyone knew it.

I agree with that. Coaches who break rules need to be banned for a determined amount of time from coaching at the Division 1A level and/or fined monetarily. They too often get off free like Neuhisel.

I'd also like to see the NCAA conduct its hearings more like an actual court proceeding instead of a kangaroo court where witnesses can not be cross-examined and evidence can not be challenged. It is pretty bad when individual states have to pass legislation requiring the NCAA to conduct it's investigations in a way that they should already be doing.

You both make way too much sense for the NCAA.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Using that logic, Alabama should not be banned from any post-season play for football because the head coach at the time of violations is no longer with the team and neither are any of the players involved.

Same with Michigan basketball.

why punish those that did nothing wrong?

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Using that logic, Alabama should not be banned from any post-season play for football because the head coach at the time of violations is no longer with the team and neither are any of the players involved.

Same with Michigan basketball.

why punish those that did nothing wrong?

I could be wrong about this, but I think that when the NCAA hands out a penalty of any kind, their aim is not to punish the kids, but the program itself. Granted, it's a tough call when there are cases like Michigan or Georgia, but I guess the NCAA thinks that this is the best way to handle it. I don't really agree with it, but there's not a whole lot that anyone can do about it.

I feel really bad for the kids at Georgia.....not only are they staying home for the tournament this year (even though most of them had nothing to do with anything that has happened), but the president and/or athetic director at UGA didn't even have the balls to have a meeting with the team to tell them about the university's decision. The team had to hear about their fate on television or in the newspaper. How ridiculous is that?

-Tom

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
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i think it is only fair to include them with an interim coach. The head coach is the bad guy not the players

Using that logic, Alabama should not be banned from any post-season play for football because the head coach at the time of violations is no longer with the team and neither are any of the players involved.

Same with Michigan basketball.

why punish those that did nothing wrong?

I could be wrong about this, but I think that when the NCAA hands out a penalty of any kind, their aim is not to punish the kids, but the program itself. Granted, it's a tough call when there are cases like Michigan or Georgia, but I guess the NCAA thinks that this is the best way to handle it. I don't really agree with it, but there's not a whole lot that anyone can do about it.

I feel really bad for the kids at Georgia.....not only are they staying home for the tournament this year (even though most of them had nothing to do with anything that has happened), but the president and/or athetic director at UGA didn't even have the balls to have a meeting with the team to tell them about the university's decision. The team had to hear about their fate on television or in the newspaper. How ridiculous is that?

-Tom

Technically, this is not the NCAA punishing UGA. This is UGA punishing themselves. They did this as a preemptive action to show the NCAA they are serious about compliance. The well publicized Alabama football case shows why. Alabama offered up 15 scholarships and extended probation as punishment. Based on similar previous NCAA rulings, this was more than enough to satisfy the NCAA. However, the NCAA came back and hammered Bama with 5 years of probabtion, two years of post-season ban, and 21(I think that's right) scholarships taken away.

Soon after, you saw Michigan voluntarily give up post-season play and now you see UGA giving up post-season play. The feeling among NCAA members now is to punish yourselves severely before any hearing or else the NCAA will really come down hard on you.