UF student gets tasered at John Kerrys speech while asking a question

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alkemyst

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Well not exactly, as a public school they can't just kick people out of it for no reason, a private school would be different. That was sort of a problem when I was attending UF, you'd have the hare krishnas and homeless people on the campus and in buildings....

One would hope for closer to constitutional rules in this exchange.

Should students be able to talk incessantly during classes at public universities and thus disrupt the class? Getting into fist fights died out because people realized that it got people nowhere. Instead of having an intellectual discussion now you're in a mess of emotionally driven diatribe. If you like watching fist fights and chairs being thrown during congressional sessions then feel free to turn on Taiwan news and see how effective their government is when people are disruptive.

A classroom is not an auditorium. Why does everyone pull insane situations out of there ass.

This guys antics seemed hardly worth the effort to remove him. Also I really question the reasons why.

Unfortunately not everyone says the things we would like to hear in a political situation.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Well not exactly, as a public school they can't just kick people out of it for no reason, a private school would be different. That was sort of a problem when I was attending UF, you'd have the hare krishnas and homeless people on the campus and in buildings....

One would hope for closer to constitutional rules in this exchange.

Should students be able to talk incessantly during classes at public universities and thus disrupt the class? Getting into fist fights died out because people realized that it got people nowhere. Instead of having an intellectual discussion now you're in a mess of emotionally driven diatribe. If you like watching fist fights and chairs being thrown during congressional sessions then feel free to turn on Taiwan news and see how effective their government is when people are disruptive.

A classroom is not an auditorium. Why does everyone pull insane situations out of there ass.

This guys antics seemed hardly worth the effort to remove him. Also I really question the reasons why.

Unfortunately not everyone says the things we would like to hear in a political situation.

It had nothing to do with what he said (except for being completely ridiculous and saying "blowjob") he was tazered because he was resisting arrest. Whether or not he or anyone else felt it was necessary, you resist arrest you better be ready to face the consequences. It was a private event and he was asked to leave, he didn't comply. I don't see why anyone is defending this moron.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Well not exactly, as a public school they can't just kick people out of it for no reason, a private school would be different. That was sort of a problem when I was attending UF, you'd have the hare krishnas and homeless people on the campus and in buildings....

One would hope for closer to constitutional rules in this exchange.

Should students be able to talk incessantly during classes at public universities and thus disrupt the class? Getting into fist fights died out because people realized that it got people nowhere. Instead of having an intellectual discussion now you're in a mess of emotionally driven diatribe. If you like watching fist fights and chairs being thrown during congressional sessions then feel free to turn on Taiwan news and see how effective their government is when people are disruptive.

A classroom is not an auditorium. Why does everyone pull insane situations out of there ass.

This guys antics seemed hardly worth the effort to remove him. Also I really question the reasons why.

Unfortunately not everyone says the things we would like to hear in a political situation.

It had nothing to do with what he said (except for being completely ridiculous and saying "blowjob") he was tazered because he was resisting arrest. Whether or not he or anyone else felt it was necessary, you resist arrest you better be ready to face the consequences. It was a private event and he was asked to leave, he didn't comply. I don't see why anyone is defending this moron.

because morons tend to defend morons
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
because morons tend to defend morons

Sort of like people that post in every picture thread and don't post there own...but I digress. I am sure you can google something up about that.

The main problem I have with it is Kerry didn't have a problem with it.

Knee jerk reaction and those jealous of one that was outspoken were the problems.

Too many people want everything 100% catered to them without any conflicts.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: glutenberg

You obviously did not read the back story of him cutting in line, cutting other students off, and causing a disturbance during the event. Why bother commenting on something before you at least superficially glance over the facts. Your style of argument is the equivalent of what my 3rd grade cousin uses. You may want to think about that.

He cut in line, that is something your 3rd grade cousin would whine about.

Feel free to respond to my post as well. :)

respond to what, you never made an argument.

Oh really? :confused: His post indicated that the organizer of the event asked the police to remove the guy from the event. That's a pretty significant fact, and it completely destroys your argument about the first amendment being applicable.

See that is an argument. And it goes back to my first post in this thread that Kerry said something like "thats ok I will answer the questions" which implies that Kerry gave him permission to stay.

Oddly enough, Kerry doesn't trump the law.

I didn't bring up argument - you did. Nice try, though.

You posted part of the police report but that doesn't make any specific justification on why he was arrested. You then post your little law but never made any justification for arresting under that law. Also you didn't even specify which of inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm. And you also never said if you considered the noise to be loud or if you considered it to be unreasonable.
RSA 644:2

What I stated is sufficient. I am authorized to arrest for such offense and, if necessary, to use force to effect the arrest.

The fact that others in this thread support the officers involved confirms that there is probable cause that an offense involving public annoyance or alarm was committed. It is illegal to physically resist said arrest. It's the court's duty to decide whether or not it was justified, not yours.

No citing a law is not sufficient you must show how he violated the law. Other peoples opinions are equally as meaningless as yours. And yes it is the public job to decided if police action was justified or not and to take the correct political actions if they feel it was not justified.

Please try and under stand your making a different argument then Mugs. You are saying he broke the law and that justified the first contract from the police. Mugs is saying that the police were told to remove him when he had not yet broken a law.

I already did. My opinion is backed by law.

The subject recklessly created a risk of public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm by making loud or unreasonable noises in a public place.

He was loud and unreasonable. He recklessly created a risk of causing public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm. There you have it in black and white.

Does anyone other than smack Down fail to understand this?

Give specifics did he create annoyance or did he create alarm? What noise are you talking about. How did it create alarm? How much louder was it then other noise created by other people? What is unreasonable about asking if a presidential candidate was in a frat?

No need to give specifics; all that is required for an arrest is that there was probable cause that he recklessly created a risk of public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm. A risk of any of those three constitutes disorderly conduct. You cannot win this argument.

Sure there is you need to give specifics for your probable cause. I already have won if you had anything to base your probable cause on you would have stated.

Probable cause was established when he refused to leave the building when asked to by University Police. Then the whole resisting arrest thing.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: moshquerade
because morons tend to defend morons

Sort of like people that post in every picture thread and don't post there own...but I digress. I am sure you can google something up about that.

The main problem I have with it is Kerry didn't have a problem with it.

Knee jerk reaction and those jealous of one that was outspoken were the problems.

Too many people want everything 100% catered to them without any conflicts.

i've posted my picture here before, and i've also sent it to people i trust. so that's that.

you go ahead and keep defending the guy. even he himself isn't defending his actions anymore.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Well not exactly, as a public school they can't just kick people out of it for no reason, a private school would be different. That was sort of a problem when I was attending UF, you'd have the hare krishnas and homeless people on the campus and in buildings....

One would hope for closer to constitutional rules in this exchange.

Should students be able to talk incessantly during classes at public universities and thus disrupt the class? Getting into fist fights died out because people realized that it got people nowhere. Instead of having an intellectual discussion now you're in a mess of emotionally driven diatribe. If you like watching fist fights and chairs being thrown during congressional sessions then feel free to turn on Taiwan news and see how effective their government is when people are disruptive.

A classroom is not an auditorium. Why does everyone pull insane situations out of there ass.

This guys antics seemed hardly worth the effort to remove him. Also I really question the reasons why.

Unfortunately not everyone says the things we would like to hear in a political situation.

Are you questioning if the University police, acting on behalf of the University, had the right to have a person removed from one of their events/buildings?
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: moshquerade
because morons tend to defend morons

Sort of like people that post in every picture thread and don't post there own...but I digress. I am sure you can google something up about that.

The main problem I have with it is Kerry didn't have a problem with it.

Knee jerk reaction and those jealous of one that was outspoken were the problems.

Too many people want everything 100% catered to them without any conflicts.

What does Kerry have to do with the situation? Was the event held on his property?

What knee jerk reaction? The guy was instructed by the university police to leave the premises. He refused and started acting erratically. After their failed attempt to escort him out they attempted to take him into custody. He resisted arrest and got tazed.

 

Rowboat

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Man, should the cops be able to taser you just so they don't have to bother forcing you into handcuffs?

The guy was an attention whore no doubt but cops shouldn't be tasering people unless they have no other options. Every documentary ive ever seen on non lethal force pointed out that tasers and the like are there as a last resort before you pull a gun use this. Thats very different from man this guy isn't cooperating.


IMO tasering should be used like firearms. 2 cops would have been more than enough to handle the guy.

Edit: Oh and the kid deserved to be arrested, no argument there at all. When the cops say you are under arrest you have to comply or suffer the consequences, that just shouldn't be tasering when you are on the ground under several officers and pose no danger to them or anyone else.
 

Rowboat

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: moshquerade
because morons tend to defend morons

Sort of like people that post in every picture thread and don't post there own...but I digress. I am sure you can google something up about that.

The main problem I have with it is Kerry didn't have a problem with it.

Knee jerk reaction and those jealous of one that was outspoken were the problems.

Too many people want everything 100% catered to them without any conflicts.

What does Kerry have to do with the situation? Was the event held on his property?

What knee jerk reaction? The guy was instructed by the university police to leave the premises. He refused and started acting erratically. After their failed attempt to escort him out they attempted to take him into custody. He resisted arrest and got tazed.



The point being Kerry being a political figure watched a kid getting force ably removed for asking a stuipid question and then tasered as a result without saying anything like "yo bro don't tase him he's just a stupid kid. Being a public figure and all people have the right to draw conclusions about him based on this.





 

Capt Caveman

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Tazing the asshat got him to stop resisting, handcuffed and out of the auditorium. Without it, he probably would have continued to struggle and possibly someone would have gotten hurt.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Well not exactly, as a public school they can't just kick people out of it for no reason, a private school would be different. That was sort of a problem when I was attending UF, you'd have the hare krishnas and homeless people on the campus and in buildings....

One would hope for closer to constitutional rules in this exchange.

Should students be able to talk incessantly during classes at public universities and thus disrupt the class? Getting into fist fights died out because people realized that it got people nowhere. Instead of having an intellectual discussion now you're in a mess of emotionally driven diatribe. If you like watching fist fights and chairs being thrown during congressional sessions then feel free to turn on Taiwan news and see how effective their government is when people are disruptive.

A classroom is not an auditorium. Why does everyone pull insane situations out of there ass.

This guys antics seemed hardly worth the effort to remove him. Also I really question the reasons why.

Unfortunately not everyone says the things we would like to hear in a political situation.

So one public forum isn't the equivalent of another public forum? Is that what you're trying to say? There's no distinction between a classroom setting with a speaker, organized so that people can have their questions answered in order and a forum setup by an event organizer for a speaker also organized so that people can have their answers addressed in an orderly fashion. Your argument isn't even valid that they're not comparable. You're grasping at straws now.
 

AdamK47

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The fact that he used "bro" takes away any merit his defiant stance may have had.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: glutenberg

So one public forum isn't the equivalent of another public forum? Is that what you're trying to say? There's no distinction between a classroom setting with a speaker, organized so that people can have their questions answered in order and a forum setup by an event organizer for a speaker also organized so that people can have their answers addressed in an orderly fashion. Your argument isn't even valid that they're not comparable. You're grasping at straws now.

A classroom is not a public forum. Did you even go to college?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you questioning if the University police, acting on behalf of the University, had the right to have a person removed from one of their events/buildings?

I wouldn't say that was their 'right', it would be a job. I don't think you understand the situation though saying that.

With a quote like your signature, one would think you'd have more of a backbone than just being the good little boy and listen to authority and not question it.

IMHO one should have been able to ask Kerry what they wanted and if KERRY had a problem with the time or question let HIM decide.

The guy was not being threatening yet even people here seem to think someone could have gotten hurt.

Also to other's him using Bro is hardly discrediting. He is a college student and that is a popular slang term now. I have heard highly paid CEO's use 'man' and 'cool' and other terms from their day. People seem to think only the bookworm/nerd is credit worthy, but in reality it's usually them working for the other.


 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: moshquerade

i've posted my picture here before, and i've also sent it to people i trust. so that's that.

you go ahead and keep defending the guy. even he himself isn't defending his actions anymore.

He more than likely wants this to pass by him, he was charged rather seriously in this. It would be in his best interest to cooperate so he can graduate.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Kaspian
He got restrained, cuffed.....then tasered?:confused:

No

Now that is a great reply.

We was restrained in my opinion and heading on the way out. He was putting up a mild resistance.

Talk to the cops and tough guys in the thread and his flailing could have killed even Chuck Norris so he had to be put down.

I think it was a bullshit arrest.

He did break the rules of the event, he was clowning a bit, but at the same time Kerry did want to answer/go along with it for whatever reason. I think in that light it should have continued.

The police to justify their use of force did go on the record to state he was trying to incite a riot. Bullshit.