UD Cancer, i just joined got some questions!

[Vich]

Hey guys,
I just setup UD cancer on my girlfriends home computer.

They have dialup and arent always online. Is there a way to download a certain amount of workunits like a weeks worth and then crunch through those and upload the results?

UD does a upload after every WU which is a pain in the ass on dailup!

Thanks
-Rich

 

[CyGoR]

Hi Vich,

Indeed, uploading wu's when on dialup isn't very nice...
But, there is a little program called UDmon which can buffer a
certain amount of wu's and flush it whenever you'd like!
On that site is a good manual for installing and setting up the buffer.. There is,
ofcourse, one problem.. For every entry in your buffer you need to register a
new device.. What I did is naming them all like this: 'PC-nameI', PC-nameII' .... 'PC-nameVI'
or something like that..
If you have any questions about the program, let us know and we'll work it out!

Good luck!

 

[Vich]

Well i left it on all night and it seemed to have gotten 186 points, and the total cpu time (not task time) is 10h 11m 40s.

Task cpu time has been about 4 hours and 30min.


The stats page from the UD device still hasnt updated to have me in it but well see.

Now one question if i finish a WU and its ready to upload it but something goes wrong and it cant get online... what happens?

Thanks
Rich

 

[CyGoR]

If you can't get online while the wu is done, it just waits to retry the submit. Unfortunatly the machine is idleing when that happens. That's why UDmon is a good program so you only have to update once in a few days for example. The stats page is only updated once a day..

Do you have any other devices running UD?

 

[Vich]

Currently ONLY this machine. Its my girlfriends new family computer, and i just put UD-Cancer on it. The parents are cool with it running after i explained it to them, however her brother who is a IFSM major might have other ideas. Since me and her live 45min away (on campus) i cant make sure that the agent will be in good hands so ill need to talk to him and tell him what it is before he freaks out and is wondering what is runing in the system tray, hehe.

Once i get back to my place i am going to switch over my seti machine to this.

One question is though what is the difference between UD-Cancer and the find-a-cure(THINK is what its called?) Cancer research program?


Thanks
-Rich

 

[CyGoR]

Originally posted by: Vich

One question is though what is the difference between UD-Cancer and the find-a-cure(THINK is what its called?) Cancer research program?

Thanks
-Rich

Good question.. It's a little complicated I think, but United Devices is the main program which can be used for severall projects. The 'THINK' thingy
is a module which will be used by the UD program. That's also the main reason UD will only run on Windows. The main program has been made
for Linux, but the THINK module hasn't.. My notebook (Apple Powerbook) will not be able to run UD unfortunatly..
This was probably not the answer you were looking for, but that's all I know about it

By the way, what is an IFSM major? (sorry, I'm Dutch, don't know all these things )

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: CyGoR

Originally posted by: Vich

One question is though what is the difference between UD-Cancer and the find-a-cure(THINK is what its called?) Cancer research program?

Thanks
-Rich

Good question.. It's a little complicated I think, but United Devices is the main program which can be used for severall projects. The 'THINK' thingy
is a module which will be used by the UD program. That's also the main reason UD will only run on Windows. The main program has been made
for Linux, but the THINK module hasn't.. My notebook (Apple Powerbook) will not be able to run UD unfortunatly..
This was probably not the answer you were looking for, but that's all I know about it

By the way, what is an IFSM major? (sorry, I'm Dutch, don't know all these things )

Well i did some reasearch and i found out THINK was replaced by LIGANDFIT for use by UD because it was more accurate and able to run on different platforms...

IFSM = Information Systems Management

So basically THINK is outdated



-Rich

 

[kloostec]

Originally posted by: Vich

Originally posted by: CyGoR

Originally posted by: Vich

One question is though what is the difference between UD-Cancer and the find-a-cure(THINK is what its called?) Cancer research program?

Thanks
-Rich

Good question.. It's a little complicated I think, but United Devices is the main program which can be used for severall projects. The 'THINK' thingy
is a module which will be used by the UD program. That's also the main reason UD will only run on Windows. The main program has been made
for Linux, but the THINK module hasn't.. My notebook (Apple Powerbook) will not be able to run UD unfortunatly..
This was probably not the answer you were looking for, but that's all I know about it

By the way, what is an IFSM major? (sorry, I'm Dutch, don't know all these things )

Well i did some reasearch and i found out THINK was replaced by LIGANDFIT for use by UD because it was more accurate and able to run on different platforms...

IFSM = Information Systems Management

So basically THINK is outdated



-Rich

CyGoR's right - the UD agent is just a wrapper to run many DC projects. Depending on your preferences, you can run the Cancer project, the Smallpox project, or a bunch of other ones (there was a web performance one at one time, and the Anthrax project). There is a UD agent for Linux, for example, but none of the programs that run underneath (Think, Ligandfit, etc) will run on Linux, so there's no point in distributing the UD agent for linux.

Think was used for Phase I of the UD Cancer project. It was a more broad tool... it scanned way more molecules (I think it was 10000 per WU) way faster, but only got a maybe or no as an answer. Ligandfit, which the UD agent is running now, takes the 'maybe's from the Think application and generates a score based on how likely it thinks the molecule is at reacting with the cancer protein. I think Ligandfit WUs only have 15 or so molecules in them, and they take just as long or longer to scan as the 10000 molecule WUs from Think, so you can see how much extra processing they're doing.

I think FAD uses Think still (they were the original developers of Think), but it's been upgraded a lot since the UD era.

 

[CyGoR]

After reading some stuff on the grid.org forums they say the Ligandfit module/client is written in Fortran using a new Intel compiler.
That same compiler has just been made available for *nix systems! Before this compiler there was no Fortran compiler available supporting
some things the Ligandfit code uses.. So who know, maybe a next client (if ever to arrive) will have *nix support! I really hope so!

Kloostec, are you still running Seti by the way?

 

[kloostec]

I'm running seti on a Duron 1400 at my parents' house.

I know there was a version of Think for *nix, but it wasn't part of the license that UD got to use it, so they couldn't distribute it for *nix DCers.

 

[CyGoR]

I also heard something about that, but it turned out that it returned some crippled results..
We'll just have to wait for them to do some porting to the real OS
Seti runs just fine on Linus

 

[COMPOSTHEAP]

From what I've been reading on the Find-a-Drug forums, the new THINK system is actually supposed to be substantially faster and more efficient than the present Ligandfit system used for the UD Cancer project.

More information can be found here I think: http://forum.find-a-drug.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2673&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

 

[Kenazo]

so when UD Finally releases a new client, will I have to manually upgrade all the systems I have it on? B/c I'm not even sure who's computers it's all running on right now. Might be a pain to go and upgrade them all manually. No one cared the first time, but if i come and harass them a second time, that might not go over so well.