ubuntu is a POS distribution

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Despite the fact I was half joking to begin with I was right! Even in this tiny little thread it was easy to provide examples. I wasn't complaining about these posts one little bit. I think it's amusing and I could care less.

1 out of 18+ replies is your proof of "often." Hmm, must be that new math they teach you kids.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: flexy
I had NO problems getting Vista RC1 5728 running, it even had all NF4 chipset etc. drivers working right out of the box ! Mind you, 64bit version !
I only had a problem with my Audigy 2.

ubuntu didnt even finish the boot and couldnt deal with my fairly common Radeon X850.

facts.

You didn't end up at a text login prompt?

i ended up in shell...no..no LOGIN as far i remember.

It sounds like it couldn't start 'X' and kicked back to the command line. I think you probably had a login prompt but don't remember.

i double-checked.

Nope, no login.

Right in the shell. Makes me wonder as what user ?

anyway i tried to check the xorg-ogfile, but having a problem...as said its a while ago i was working /w linux.

cat Xorg0.log |more <-- i remember that

but i cant step thru it...if i press <CR> or <SPC> for the next page it just aborts. Or i let it all run thru.......respective tried startx a few times

Says "no device found"...i am GUESSING it doesnt have my PCI vendor ID right..i can see scrolling a whole list of ATI cards, but AFAIK i had a problem somewhere else where some program under Win didnt know about my PCI vendor ID....so i just would need to know where to enter the ID and *MAYBE* it might recognize the card ????

Btw, i still have vista on another partition....so...assuming it holds the stuff on ram-disk..i can play around and then when i am successful i can make another partition or wipe VISTA for the time being...i just need to know whether i can get it to run and then actually *install* it. (Still runing off CD right now)

 

[magomago]

bug report FTW.

and if you really don't want to deal with it and work around it, just wait for edgey eft. its coming out in like 1 month or something.

and sorry for your experience, but mine worked great....then again i have a nvidia card ATI Linux uers seem to get no love from ATI

 

[flexy]

nope But i still love my old X850XT

Anyway..good old pico was stil lthere...so at least i could see my X logfiles now.

It looks all allright, eg. talking about my Radeon X850XT as primary device on bus 5.0.0 etc.

Just at the end it gives an error and says
(WW) PCI Radeon Mach 64 not found on bus 0 !!
(EE) no device found !!

So..why the *** does it look for a Mach 64 PCI, not to mention i never had one of those

Anyway..i guess i am filing a bug-report

 

[magomago]

try he generic drive if possible and see what happens...sorry i don't knw the name of the generic driver

 

[n0cmonkey]

It picked the wrong driver. Modify the config file and put the right driver in.

It's probably either "ati" or "radeon".

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
It picked the wrong driver. Modify the config file and put the right driver in.

It's probably either "ati" or "radeon".

ATI is the generic wrapper for all ATI cards. It attempts to choose which is the correct driver.

However it does not work with me and my ATI x800 video card.
I have to specificly choose radeon for my xorg.conf

Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X800 (R430 UO)"
Driver "radeon"
Option "DRI"
Option "BusType" "PCIE"
Option "ColorTiling" "on"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
Option "GARTsize" "64"
EndSection

 

[flexy]

we have several problems here.

I was looking on the ubuntu forum and bug-tracker, and the SAME issue is known for months already, because i saw entries
saying x-server unable to start with Radeon cards from may. Thios bug affect most/all newer radeon cards as far as i saw.
Now we have october.

All the helpful "hints" about installing upgrades or whatever....we just have a problem there:

you CAN NOT UPDATE any files or drivers (assuming such updates even EXIST) while running off a live-cd, what should it update ?
Files on ram-disk ??

So..i come up with the glorious idea there MUST be a way to just boot into that ^!%%!@$%!@ ('scuse me) by chosing
"safe graphics mode" from the install menu.

FIGURED if i do that i might get a screen with an option to INSTALL this system, even if the x-server is not running, and then try to update or edit xorg.conf on the installed system.

PROBLEM only...when i chose "safe mode" from the live-CD i get a BLACK screen and no display at all. <----

cliffs, to recap my experience with "ubuntu"

() does not even boot off CD since x-server fails to start
() people give tips like updating and editing X configs
() problem is, the system is not even installed on HD, so "updating" and editing configs can not apply.
() even if i edited config-files in ram and WOULD be able to bring up a working x, would starting X then come up with a desktop with self-explaining options to install/update ? Because i dont know what the boot/installer would do if it would not abort as it does now.
() "safe graphics mode" does not work AT ALL, blank screen, no display
() research shows that this issue w/ the x-server and radeon cards is existant for a long time already.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: flexy
we have several problems here.

I was looking on the ubuntu forum and bug-tracker, and the SAME issue is known for months already, because i saw entries
saying x-server unable to start with Radeon cards from may. Thios bug affect most/all newer radeon cards as far as i saw.
Now we have october.

All the helpful "hints" about installing upgrades or whatever....we just have a problem there:

you CAN NOT UPDATE any files or drivers (assuming such updates even EXIST) while running off a live-cd, what should it update ?
Files on ram-disk ??

Sure. I've installed software lots of times while running Knoppix for instance.

What it uses is a layered file system. The base one is compressed file images on the disk. Next layer up is the decompressed stuff your using, then above that is a file system that stores any changes you make. It's all layered so it appears as one file system like you would have on your harddrive.

But to do any installs or significant updates will probably make you run out of aviable "disk space" on the live cdrom pretty quickly unless your using a system with 2 or more gigs.

Also it's quite easy to edit your server text file on a live cdrom. I know your booting from a cdrom, and cdroms suppose to be 'read only' but Live Linux cdrom systems are very very read-writtable. It's just that you loose your changes when you reboot.

So..i come up with the glorious idea there MUST be a way to just boot into that ^!%%!@$%!@ ('scuse me) by chosing
"safe graphics mode" from the install menu.

The solution is not to use the live cdrom at all to install Ubuntu. There are numerious other ways. The live cdrom is just the most convient. The next best way is to use the 'text mode' installation.

See here for screenshots of text mode and live cdrom mode installation.
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Install_Ubuntu

If you go to the download page.. http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/

You'll notice that there is a 'alternate install cd'. This thing is designed for setting up more customized installs for OEM images or using on low-resource PCs. It does not use a gui, it is text mode.

If you want to install it you can install it using that. I've never installed Ubuntu Dapper either way however and I am not sure if you'd end up with the full desktop install. But it's easy enough to do that yourself using Apt-get.

See also the Installation documentation.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation

It describes many different methods of installing Ubuntu. Since it's based on Debian is has a very flexible base on which to use.

ALmost every single f-ing distro I have ever used has more then one method of installing itself. This is because there are about 40 million different combinations of hardware out there and nobody has either the budget nor the support from hardware manufacturers to test them all.

The try to make it easy and most people like GUIs but with GUI systems there is a LOT which can go wrong. So they offer a text-mode way of installation.

I would of told you this earlier, but you seem to have a bad attitude towards things. That's why I told you to try again next year. By that time Ubuntu would of had another relase and had a chance to fix the bug your complaining about.